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Old 08-20-2009, 12:08 PM   #21
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I've googling, but I've found too much info, so I thought it would be simpler to get shorter answers here.
I think the most popular mythicist amongst our own mythicists is Earl Doherty. He has a rather comprehensive website describing his thesis which you might want to check out:

The Jesus Puzzle

He also links to some prominent critics of his view, IIRC, so you can obtain some balance.
For NoRobots......
That's one of the few Jesus-ish books I have left besides "Egypt, Greece and Rome" and "Ancient Mystery Cults" by Burkert. The rest were sold at a yard sale years ago. I also have "Darwins Black Box" and "Evolution: A Theory In Crisis". Nobody wanted to buy those as well as my stack of Zecharia Sitchin books I collected during my crazy period. I even have a very rare copy of Loyd Pie's "Everything you know is wrong" if that tickles your fancy. I can't even give that one away.
And if that doesn't satiate the hunger for crazy shit I also have "The Giza Power Plant"

So there ya go. I too have wanted to believe there was something else going on planet Earth besides what common sense and scientific inquiry tell us.
But I have to ask whats crazier, believing for a couple weeks that the great pyramid was an electrical generator or living ones whole life believing that Jesus floated up to heaven to judge the quick and the dead?
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So there ya go. I too have wanted to believe there was something else going on planet Earth besides what common sense and scientific inquiry tell us.
But I have to ask whats crazier, believing for a couple weeks that the great pyramid was an electrical generator or living ones whole life believing that Jesus floated up to heaven to judge the quick and the dead?
I, too, have had a wild ride on the Jesus train. My favorites from those days are Jesus the magician and The Sacred mushroom and the cross. Ultimately, I did find a book that completely changed my life: Constantin Brunner's Our Christ. It is Brunner who has given me certainty that, yes, there is something else going on planet Earth besides what common sense and scientific inquiry tell us. If you are interested, one of my Brunnerian friends has just published a book (in French) that I have reviewed (in English) here.
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To answer your question, "Was Jesus an historical person?", the answer is yes, and that answer is found by constructing the most likely theory on Jesus to explain the contents of the earliest Christian writings. The earliest writings on Jesus are the authentic epistles of Paul and the synoptic gospels. Paul writes with disinterest in meeting James, "the brother of the Lord," and the brother of Jesus according to the synoptic gospels.....

Historicists are never accurate.

According to *some* of the synoptic Gospels is the truth.
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So there ya go. I too have wanted to believe there was something else going on planet Earth besides what common sense and scientific inquiry tell us.
But I have to ask whats crazier, believing for a couple weeks that the great pyramid was an electrical generator or living ones whole life believing that Jesus floated up to heaven to judge the quick and the dead?
I, too, have had a wild ride on the Jesus train. My favorites from those days are Jesus the magician and The Sacred mushroom and the cross. Ultimately, I did find a book that completely changed my life: Constantin Brunner's Our Christ. It is Brunner who has given me certainty that, yes, there is something else going on planet Earth besides what common sense and scientific inquiry tell us. If you are interested, one of my Brunnerian friends has just published a book (in French) that I have reviewed (in English) here.
I never actually boarded the Jesus train. During my period of doubting reality I decided alien intervention was more plausible then a Jewish guy who turned into God. And no offense, but after seeing all the Brunner quotes you've posted here I don't think there's anything to gain from reading it unless your pre-existing faith needs a recharge.
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I never actually boarded the Jesus train.
Sorry, I should have historical Jesus train. I was born and raised a mythicist, actually. I could never really take that inane pendantic b.s. seriously, though.
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I never actually boarded the Jesus train.
Sorry, I should have historical Jesus train. I was born and raised a mythicist, actually. I could never really take that inane pendantic b.s. seriously, though.
Mythicists are pedantic? They're frickin invisible, they don't even register on the collective radar screen. The "common sense" opinion is on the side of the HJ crowd: some Jewish guy who lived in the 1st C started a new religion, even though he was misunderstood and judicially murdered. I challenge you to find anyone on the street who disagrees (or the movie theater: how many millions sat thru Gibson's Passion or Brown's Da Vinci Code?)
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Mythicists are pedantic?
Sure. Don't you read your own posts?

Oh, and my father! Oy! Golden Bough, scapegoat, Church suppression, yadda, yadda, yadda.
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Oh, he was a historical person and if you don't believe in him, you're going to Hell! But, remember, he loves and cares for you more than you know.
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Mythicists are pedantic?
Sure. Don't you read your own posts?

Oh, and my father! Oy! Golden Bough, scapegoat, Church suppression, yadda, yadda, yadda.
okay...

Pedantic
–adjective
1. ostentatious in one's learning.
2. overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, esp. in teaching.

Synonyms:
2. didactic, doctrinaire.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedantic

It's true I had preachers on both sides of the family...but this is the internet after all, home of all who love the sound of their own voice :grin:
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Pedantic
–adjective
1. ostentatious in one's learning.
2. overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, esp. in teaching.
If, instead of saying "inane pedantic b.s.", I had said "shinola", my meaning would still be clear and we wouldn't need to have this discussion.
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