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03-14-2008, 06:24 AM | #42 |
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The problem appears to be a matter of terminology. "Primitive" is a technical term. It has a specific technical meaning.
It is an objective fact that Christianity is not a "primitive" religion. Primitive is a term that means that something is lacking in features that are found in something else within a set, or that it is "less advanced" than something else within a set. In this sense "primitive" is subjective because the primitiveness of something can only be judged in relation to other things. It is impossible to say that "everything is primitive". You can't call all religions "primitive", that's like saying that all religions are the youngest, or all people are fatter. In biology, anthropology, linguistics, etc., scholars rank individuals within hierarchies from most primitive to most advanced. When one does such an analysis of religion, Christianity clearly comes out on top as one of the most advanced religions. Since it came along after everything that came before it, that should be no surprise. Whether something is "primitive" or "advanced" has nothing to do with whether it is good or bad or completely stupid. Claiming that Christianity is "primitive" is not only completely wrong, but it also conveys a very misleading idea, which is the idea that the ideas contained withing Christianity are foundational in human religious thought, but they very clearly are not. We find very few of the major aspects of Christianity in the earliest forms of religion. It is a claim of Christians that their ideas are "original" and have been known for "all time", that they were given by God to the first people, etc. This is not true. We can plainly see that the ideas of Christianity evolved over time, incorporating ideas from many cultures, and especially from Greek philosophy. If you claim that the ideas of Christianity are "primitive" then you are claiming that things like the concept of a single "omnipotent, omniscient, omni-benevolent" God are "primitive", or foundational to human concepts of the divine. This is plainly false. This is an idea that was introduced by Greek philosophers and was later integrated into Christianity, it is not a "primitive" concept at all. Indeed this concept is found in almost no other religion in the world other than Christianity and Islam, and not anachronistically in Judaism. Prior to that it was really only expressed within Greek deistic philosophies such as Stoicism. Furthermore, this concept, since it is not primitive, is clearly a product of human thought, not of "divine revelation", as Christians claim. Calling Christianity "primitive" actually plays into Christian claims of originality, and more importantly, its simply false. Pointing our certain "primitive" aspects is one thing, but this is more akin to point out that humans posses common cellular traits with bacteria. Yes, in an evolutionary process the more advanced entities are going to retain some of the traits that they inherited from their more primitive ancestors, but that does not make them primitive. Christianity is not primitive, it retains some of the characteristics of the primitive antecedents that it evolved from. |
03-14-2008, 08:05 AM | #43 |
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I still think it would be helpful to anchor the scale with other examples. Where, for instance, does scientology lie on this scale? What are the criteria for aligning a religion on this scale?
It seems to become just a silly game of semantics otherwise. |
03-14-2008, 09:40 AM | #44 |
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Malachi151 I hear ya and you are quite right, it can be boiled down to semantics and in your perspective you are correct. I am thinking in a different perspective and taking humankind's potential future into account as well and measuring that against where we were/are.
I think there will be a turning point, maybe triggered by a discovery or series of discoveries that will help mankind out of the dark ages. I also think at that point it is likely mankind will lose it's affinity with supernatural saviors and learn to take responsibility for itself. Sort of "grow-up" in a way. Once down that road, we may look at all god-based religions as being primitive, but would consider some more evolved than others. |
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