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Old 10-31-2005, 03:39 AM   #201
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That is not, in any way, an answer to my question.

PLEASE answer my question!

What kind of thing would pursuade you that your result is coincidental and meaningless?

THE PERFECT NUMBERS ARE EXTREMELY RARE

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Currently, 42 Mersenne primes are known;

The Gen1.1 total is a triangular number =2701= 37 x 73 (an unlikely case of digit symmetry).

2701 is the 73rd triangular number

The number of letters in Gen1.1 is 28 (triangular and 2nd perfect number)

The number of letters of the first word is 6 (triangular and 1st perfect number).

Mersenne primes have a close connection to perfect numbers

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Mersenne primes have a close connection to perfect numbers, which are numbers that are equal to the sum of their proper divisors.
Historically, the study of Mersenne primes was motivated by this connection;
in the 4th century BC Euclid demonstrated that if M is a Mersenne prime then M(M+1)/2 is a perfect number.
Two millennia later, in the 18th century, Euler proved that all even perfect numbers have this form.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_number
In mathematics, a perfect number is defined as an integer which is the sum of its proper positive divisors, excluding itself.
Six (6) is the first perfect number,
because 1, 2 and 3 are its proper positive divisors and 1 + 2 + 3 = 6.
The next perfect number is 28 = 1 + 2 + 4 + 7 + 14.
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THE PERFECT NUMBERS ARE EXTREMELY RARE
Yes they are - unlike, say, consecutive triangular numbers that add up to a triangular number.

Why don't you just answer my question?
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Look at this site again. For small numbers you have to work very hard to find a number that isn't special.

What you're doing is taking lots of marginally unlikely events, combining them into a single event and claiming that this is extremely unlikely. You're completely ignoring the fact that while that one combination is unlilely, the chances are there's a similar sequence of unlikely events anywhere you look. Not identical, but if the number of letters wasn't perfect, it'd probably be prime or square or have some other neat property.

Ceterum censeo you haven't told us what it'd take to convince you it's a coincidence.
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Look at this site again. For small numbers you have to work very hard to find a number that isn't special.

What you're doing is taking lots of marginally unlikely events, combining them into a single event and claiming that this is extremely unlikely. You're completely ignoring the fact that while that one combination is unlilely, the chances are there's a similar sequence of unlikely events anywhere you look. Not identical, but if the number of letters wasn't perfect, it'd probably be prime or square or have some other neat property.

Ceterum censeo you haven't told us what it'd take to convince you it's a coincidence.
inside Gen1.1 there are other very unlikely things

but if you are not convinced of supernatural origin of Gen1.1 yet

you can try to find a different sentence from Gen1.1 with inside the same unlikely things
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Old 10-31-2005, 07:10 AM   #206
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Yes they are - unlike, say, consecutive triangular numbers that add up to a triangular number.

Why don't you just answer my question?
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the number 136 is rarer than a Mersenne prime
this affirmation of mine could seem exaggerated or wrong

but my affirmation is reported to the numerical language

practically to the connections between the letters and the values

in this sense the number 136 is rarer than a Mersenne prime

also in my post#30 I try to explain the improbability of the number 136 to the readers

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In the first column we have reported only the triangular numbers that are the sum of three consecutive triangular numbers, and in the other three columns the three consecutive triangular numbers. In this chart it is very clear that if we count up to thirteen billion, only eight numbers, including naturally 136, comply with the criterion of "wide triangularity". In addition, it is evident that the number 10 is too "small" to form a word of five letters and 1,891 and the following ones are too large. Therefore,

the uniqueness of the name Elohim is amply shown
and the mere thought that a hypothetical sacred human author
could have guessed such a word by pure chance
with the odds of only one against 5,153,631 is really unacceptable.
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this affirmation of mine could seem exaggerated or wrong
but my affirmation is reported to the numerical language
practically to the connections between the letters and the values
in this sense the number 136 is rarer than a Mersenne prime
also in my post#30 I try to explain the improbability of the number 136 to the readers
Pmarra,

You are rapidly descending into incomprehensibility here.

I note that you are not answering my question after repeated prodding. This leaves me no choice but to conclude you're not really interested in dialogue.
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Pmarra,
I note that you are not answering my question after repeated prodding.
I think that these affirmations of mine are a suitable answer

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inside Gen1.1 there are other very unlikely things
but if you are not convinced of supernatural origin of Gen1.1 yet
you can try to find a different sentence from Gen1.1 with inside the same unlikely things
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I think that these affirmations of mine are a suitable answer
You are wrong.

Whatever these 'affirmations' are supposed to mean, they are in no way an answer to my question.

I must conclude that you have made up your mind about the relevance of your results, and that nothing will get you back on the path of reason.

That's quite ok (we're all entitled to be wrong). But I hope I realize that this essentially means your whole endeavor is the antithesis of science.
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I must conclude that you have made up your mind about the relevance of your results, and that nothing will get you back on the path of reason.
I don't agree with you

I have correctly accepted this your result as thing scientific correspondent to my question

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From an English translation of the Iliad by Homer:

"As when some great forest fire is raging upon a mountain top and its light is seen afar, even so as they marched the gleam of their armour flashed up into the firmament of heaven."

Your method yields 3.14154398865 * 10^109 on this sentence.
but now you don't accept my proof of extreme improbability of Gen1.1

you don't try to find other sentences as Gen1.1 to show that I am wrong
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