aa5874

My theory inherently INCLUDES ANY DATED TEXT that mentions Jesus, the disciples and Paul.

There is NO TEXT dated by Paleography or C14 to the 1st century whether Gnostic or not.

It would appear to me that the Jesus cult was HIJACKED by the Roman Empire sometime in the 4th century. The Jesus cult was ALREADY in existence before the Romans took CONTROL of the Christians and their writings.

The writings of Lucian, Justin Martyr and Celsus' True Discourse" as found in "Against Celsus" support the theory that a Jesus story was ALREADY known in the 2nd century but that there were NO Pauline letters before the mid 2nd century.

aa5874

It is CLEAR that the authors of the Long-ending gMark and gMatthew used virtually ALL of the short-ending gMark and did so Word-for-Word.

Those LATER Gospel authors were virtually WHOLLY influenced by the short-ending gMark.

But, there is a Significant point.

ALL the stories about Jesus in the short-ending gMark are either TOTAL fiction or could NOT have happened as described from the Baptism to the Resurrection.

But those very stories were ACCEPTED and BELIEVED in antiquity to be completely Plausible and BELIEVED to have happened.

People of antiquity BELIEVED Vepasian healed the LAME with a touch and made the Blind see.

People of antiquity BELIEVED Marcion's PHANTOM without Birth and Flesh did exist 100 years BEFORE Marcion.

No-one in the 2nd century could have Seen Marcion's Phantom but people of antiquity BELIEVED Marcion.

Believers of antiquity ONLY required a Belief in a story to claim Jesus existed as the Son of a Ghost.

aa5874

The short-ending gMark is probably the most important Jesus story because that was the story which is the basis of the other writings of the Canon.

However, there are some very important clues in the short-ending gMark to show that it is indeed the earliest Canonised book.

1. There is NOTHING about Remission of Sins by Crucifixion or Resurrection in the short-ending gMark.

2. In the short-ending gMark--Jesus did NOT want the Jews to be converted.

3. Jesus did NOT want anyone to know he was Christ.

4. Jesus did NOT start a religion under the name of Christ.

It is clear that the short-ending gMark was written NOT for Remission of Sins but to EXPLAIN the reason for the Fall of the Temple based on supposed predictions in the Bible.

Mark 13Daniel 11:31 KJV The Jesus story was based on so-called prophecies in Hebrew Scripture that the Jewish Temple would fall.

The fall of the Temple and the desolation of Jerusalem is the ONLY prophecy that was fulfilled by gMark's Jesus.

The short-ending gMark is the 1st Canonised book of the Entire Canon and was most likely composed in the 2nd century based on Dated NT Texts.

Juma

Evidens of what? What are the evidens of the age of these physical manuscrpit?

Tommy

A very intersting insight. How can we be sure that the early copies of GMark weren't based on a copy which had somehow become separated from its final chapter?

J-D

Yes, I do know that. But they're wrong.

aa5874

Well, your own statement proves you are NOT credible.

Examine your previous statement.
You appear to have some kind of problem. Perhaps you don't remember what you say.

What would have happened if what you wrote was NOT recorded???

J-D

Everybody has some kind of problem.No, I remember what I posted.I doubt it'd make any significant difference.

aa5874

My Myth Theory is extremely easy to understand.

It does NOT require a PhD or to be a rocket Scientist.

Jesus of the NT had NO real existence.

And just as the DATED evidence suggest the Jesus cult most likely STARTED in the 2nd century.

Someone wrote a Jesus story in the 2nd century and people BELIEVED it was history just like HJers do TODAY.

HJers read gMark and they BELIEVE it is history.

HJers, AFTER BELIEVING the story, have REMOVED the parts they think are problematic and RE-WRITE their NEW Jesus story HOPING people will believe.

Well, that is EXACTLY and PRECISELY what happened in antiquity.

People in the 2nd century BELIEVED the short-ending gMark was history and then they Manipulated it to form NEW Jesus stories.

The ENTIRE Canon is based on the short-ending gMark which was corrupted and made into a Salvation Gospel.

HJers TODAY BELIEVE Jesus existed because of gMark and the very same thing happened 1800 years ago.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

There is NO Jesus story from the 1st century and before c 70 CE.

Everybody BELIEVE Jesus existed because of what they heard or read--NOT what they saw.

PAUL was BLIND like a BAT when he heard from the Ascended Jesus in Acts 9.

Mormonism was started when people BELIEVED what Joseph Smith wrote.

Once there is a Plausible story a cult can be started.

Tommy

Anyone? Is this question worth a thread?