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Old 11-22-2006, 11:50 AM   #21
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How Should a person Deal with His Sin?

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Old 11-22-2006, 12:16 PM   #22
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I like the idea of a sin eater. There's this gal in my town. They say she'll eat anything....
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Old 11-22-2006, 12:47 PM   #23
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I keep trying to remember to hold posts till verifying non-drive-by OP by another rude, chicken-shit, dishonest Christian setting an example for their faith, but I forgot again. I feel just like Charlie Brown.
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Old 11-22-2006, 04:07 PM   #24
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We have several hurricanes this year that were not a problem. Consequently, the existence of hurricanes is not a problem. The problem is when they come onshore. I think you should ask Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to call for a week of prayer and fasting before God in May 2007 to ask God to prevent hurricanes from doing damage to property that summer.
This would suggest that NOBODY prayed to redirect Hurricane Katrina to remain offshore (even at sea, hurricanes are a peril for ships and offshore drilling rigs).


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Given that I know that I have little control over such things, it behooves me to ask God for protection on a daily basis. I could blame myself for taking such things lightly and trying to take care of myself all alone without God's help.
It can NEVER be God's fault. Take one for the team...yay God! The above quote suggests to me, at least, that God does nothing unless asked. He's perfectly impotent unless a request is received.
Ya know, I can't see much use in having a God like that. One like that is just like a computer...it just sits there until it receives a request.

Johnny Skeptic would perhaps add that this God, even when receiving a request, may not answer according to the desires of the requestor. So if God wants me to get squashed flat by a bus that suddenly veers right, blasts over a curb, and knocks me down, it's pointless to ask him to stop it even as I see the bus coming and I can't escape in time.

Oh...right...I should've asked God before I set foot outdoors in the morning to protect me from any bus that might unexpectedly careen out of control and flatten me like a bug. Along with countless other scenarios, since I have no idea how my day will unfold, nor can I expect God to anticipate and give me carte blanche protection, since he wants to be asked first.

Oh..sorry...that's probably taking it too far. God would be happy with just a general prayer request for protection, since at the very least he SHOULD know how my day is to unfold, since he's supposed to know everything.


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God apparently thought it right to create a system in which people would be free to do as they wished even if the impacts of their actions were blindness, deafness, and dumbness for themselves or others.
What's right about that, if this same God has the power to create a system exactly opposite; i.e. no blindness, no deafness, no imperfection at all? Would you allow that God has this capacity, yet elected not to exercise it? If so, why not? If he has this capacity, but withholds it for some plan that first must unfold to whatever conclusion, is that right?


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If I have children and they want to hike in the woods, I should tell them to watch out for bears and call me if they got into trouble. As soon as I got a call for help, I would go immediately. If the kids decided to deal with the bear themselves without my help, I guess I would have to let them.
If your kids called you on your cell and said "Dad, we're being attacked by a bear and we have no weapon. But you know, we can handle it. The bear is only three times our size and we did eat our Wheaties this morning and lately Jim's been really hitting the gym a lot, so we're good!" Would you just shrug your shoulders and say, "No sweat...that's my kids for ya!"

In your scenario above, you paint the picture I alluded to regarding sitting idle until a cry for help comes in. In your case, it may be too late before you could arrive and shoot the bear dead. Preparing for a bear encounter would be much better than, "Well kids, there's bears in these here woods, so give me a jingle on the cell if you see one coming for you, and I'll come help."

If I were to believe in this God of yours, I'd want him to be a LOT less impotent than portrayed here.
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Old 11-22-2006, 04:55 PM   #25
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If I have children and they want to hike in the woods, I should tell them to watch out for bears and call me if they got into trouble. As soon as I got a call for help, I would go immediately. If the kids decided to deal with the bear themselves without my help, I guess I would have to let them.
You wouldn't help them because you wouldn't know there was anything to help with. That defence does not apply to god, who knows everything.

Let's imagine that your kids are attacked by a bear in the woods, they don't ring you for help, but you happen to find out anyway as the attack is in progress. Let's imagine you're surfing the net and you accidentally log in to the park ranger's CCTV system and see them in deadly danger. (I know, I know. Go with it).

So what do you do? Do you jump up, get there as fast as you can, call the ranger to help them, whatever you can do? Or do you sit there, and say to yourself, "Wow, sure looks like they could use some help, but they haven't called to ask for it, so they must have decided to deal with the bear themselves, and I guess I'll have to let them."

According to you, God does the latter, sitting at the cosmic CCTV screen of his omniscience and with direct access to the heavily-armed park ranger of his omnipotence. But any parent - any moral human being - would do the former.

The picture of God you paint is more clearly a moral monster with every word you say about him.
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Old 11-22-2006, 10:17 PM   #26
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First it would help a lot if the bible could be consistent what is a sin.
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I'm wearing a cotton-poly blend right now. Later today I plan to eat shellfish, pay for it with a credit card (usury), and have sex out of wedlock (fornication, possibly). What should I do with this? Enjoy it, and feel no guilt, because I'm not doing anything wrong.
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I'm trying to think of something sinful that I could do today. Hm... other than posting here, nothing comes to mind. I was just planning to buy groceries, job-search and do some writing. I guess this is one of those days where Jesus could have had a paper cut to pay for my sins, instead of the full-blown crucifiction.
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I'm trying to think of something sinful that I could do today. Hm... other than posting here, nothing comes to mind. I was just planning to buy groceries, job-search and do some writing. I guess this is one of those days where Jesus could have had a paper cut to pay for my sins, instead of the full-blown crucifiction.
Ah...but you are not perfect, and only jesus' bloody sacrifice could ever possibly make you perfect.

Matthew 5:48
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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