angelo

Not to mention that at least some trusted historian would have made it headline news and we would have a myriad of sources instead of just the N/T.
Around one thousand writers from within the century of Jezus life on earth have left us a library full of history of that particular time. Not one mention any Jebus, let alone a post mortem Jebus.
That is a question apologist have to ask themselves. Why outside of the babble there is no mention of a Jezus.

Deus Ex

The apologists will now trot out Josephus and Tacitus.

gregor

Would you care to square your initial declination with your later efforts? I'll read your response as "I can't meet the Easter Challenge."

Ben C Smith

Some of us nonapologists may trot out Josephus and Tacitus, too.

But there is really no need. I readily agree that nobody within a century of Jesus mentions anybody named Jezus or Jebus.

Ben.

dr lazer blast

Ok, since you are claiming my narrative is implausible, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that. Since you have provided no evidence, proof, or any logical valid reason, you are just asserting things baselessly.

Until you give a rational valid reason why the narrative is implausible then your criticsim will go into the 'personal but unvalid criticism drawer'

Since amaleq cannot criticize the narrative without using a logical fallacy I am going to ask anyone else if they have any VALID criticsms on the narrative?

sschlichter

I am not assuming. I am reading the text that clearly states that they were eating and talking, and then later on a mountain talking. To take your interpretation of what is being translated into the English assembled would mean that none of the apostles or Jesus even went to the bathroom or ate for forty days either.

I think if you are going to quote Jesus, you should get enough of the passage to understand the meaning. Maybe this will help understand how the apostles did not mind eating the tops of wheat on the sabbath.

(Matt 23:1)Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,
(Matt 23:2) "The experts in the law and the Pharisees sit on Moses'seat.
(Matt 23:3) Therefore pay attention to what they tell you and do it. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they teach.
(Matt 23:4) They tie up heavy loads, hard to carry, and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing even to lift a finger to move them.

Hope you have a great trip!

~Steve

sschlichter

I am responding to what some see as potential contradictions. I did not say I do not have an opinion but I watched an exchange for the last 3 weeks that has little to do with the gospels and any potential contradictions. (not the fault of the posters, it is a built-in necessary side effect of the challenge.)

I have put the narratives in what I feel is a chronological order without rearranging any of the texts. This is a narrative. just read each row from left to right. What else do you need? Do you want a fifth column of a recap for each row? I would be glad to do that but it seems un-necessary and the request to supply another narrative wreaks of a need for apologist supplied obfuscation.

sschlichter

start from the top left and read each row to the right. that is my narrative at this point.

the point being that the challenge is rigged to confuse the thoughts of the narrator and the infallibility of scripture.

~Steve

gregor

Your chart is not clear -

So how many visits did MM make?

Who was with her each visit?

How many angels on each visit?

Where was the stone on each visit?

What was said on each visit?


The role of the challenge is to demonstrate that inerrancy in this narrative is impossible. If you agree that apologies from inerrantists require obfuscation to succeed, then we agree.

badger3k

I know this is old, but we can't forget that for many people, all they would hear is snippets of this or that story. They would not get a full reading of the entire gospel, or all four told together. We don't get that now, not in anything I have ever seen. Even the "bible study" groups I have encountered do not focus like that (or even study in the higher-criticism sense). It's easy to avoid contradictions when you may only hear about them weeks apart. Heck, even the "Christmas Story" that people think of and hear today is an amalgam of the 4 different stories as well as later (medieval) additions.

Only on page 11 and this is both funny and pathetic. I can't help thinking of The Princess Bride quote "I do not think that means what you think it does" (probably a paraphrase).