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Wael El-Manzalawy · 10-24-2005, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kosh3

The Quran says that Allah has closed our eyes and ears to him, and made us blind to his presence, and that you are supposed to be fearful of us, possibly conquering us by force, as we are inherently evil and corrupt, and that there is a great doom awaiting us in hell ('us' here referring to all non-Muslims). Lo he is merciful and wise.

Do you not follow the Quran's teachings?

1-The holy Quran orders us to invite the others to Islam.
2-Many persons think that Islam has spread by the sword. This idea is untrue. I have the following fact:
Islam has spread in many countries in Asia and Africa without any military action.
3-We do not know what will happen in the future. The history tells us that many of the enemies of Islam became muslims.

JPD · 10-24-2005, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Wael El-Manzalawy

1-The holy Quran orders us to invite the others to Islam.

It also issues its readers with an inherent contradiction in sura 4.

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Originally Posted by Wael El-Manzalawy

2-Many persons think that Islam has spread by the sword. This idea is untrue. I have the following fact:
Islam has spread in many countries in Asia and Africa without any military action.

Now yes but in the 7th century? Not exactly a country fair was it?

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3-We do not know what will happen in the future. The history tells us that many of the enemies of Islam became muslims.

Yes, fools on planet earth have never been in short supply.

Wael El-Manzalawy · 10-24-2005, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilyofthevalley

Wael, I was glad you posted again - but like these guys have said, there was nothing new.

Could you tell us this: What do you know of God? You, personally. What is He like?

You said that you believe in the God though many members in this forum deny His presence . It is supposed that you will argue to prove the presence of the god because this is your belief as you said.

JPD · 10-24-2005, 04:58 AM

Go on, treat us to some miracles, such as the Quran predicting the atomic weight of iron or the speed of light (unless, that is, you apply actual mathematics to the problem and leave the "adjustments" to one side)

Spherical Time · 10-24-2005, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Wael El-Manzalawy

You said that you believe in the God though many members in this forum deny His presence . It is supposed that you will argue to prove the presence of the god because this is your belief as you said.

Wow, does anyone else see the complete disconnect between the post that he was replying to and his reply? Scary, almost.

JPD · 10-24-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Spherical Time

Wow, does anyone else see the complete disconnect between the post that he was replying to and his reply? Scary, almost.

I wasn't quite sure where he got the idea from. I was going to ask but thought that I might wait for him to explain.

Wael El-Manzalawy · 10-24-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Muan

Hi Wael, can you please explain the actions of your prophet??

I read in hadeeses that 60 year old Mohammed slept (raped) with beautiful 20 year old Rehana the same day he killed her husband

, father and brothers along with 900 males of Bani Quraiza. He did the same thing with gorgeous Safia of Bani Nadir in Khybar

. He also bought lovely Juavaria for his harem from a jihadi in whose lot she fell after muslims attacked Bani Mustaleeq( he used to attack innocent communities, kill their men, loot their properties and distribute their women among jihadis to rape)

.He also drooled over his attractive daughter in law Zainab and through a convenient wahi justified his marriage to her (this was in addition to many other wives including attractive 8 year old child bride Ayesha and slave girls).

Thanks :wave:

1-The main issue of this thread is to discuss the presence of the God. When you try to discuss the details of Islam while you deny the presence of the God, you are not following the logical order. If you believe that there is a God, you can discuss the details of the different religions to know the true religion. But if you deny the presence of the God, your attempt to discuss the details of different religions will be illogical.
2-The prophet –may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him-married more than one wife for many reasons. I am not going to enumerate them here.
3-The prophet-may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him- married some of the daughters of his enemies but they were not enforced to be muslims. They chose Islam by their free will and the prophet-may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him- married them.
4-The old Arabic tribes did not consider the marriage of girls at the age of nine a strange thing.

Wael El-Manzalawy · 10-24-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Spherical Time

Wow, does anyone else see the complete disconnect between the post that he was replying to and his reply? Scary, almost.

But I think that Lilyofthevalley-the person I was replying to- will see the connect between the post and the reply.

Weltall · 10-24-2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Wael El-Manzalawy

1-The main issue of this thread is to discuss the presence of the God.

Emphasis on discuss. Posting a 'God exists Because I Say So, discuss' doesn't lead to anything. You might want to try backing up this claim first.

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When you try to discuss the details of Islam while you deny the presence of the God, you are not following the logical order.

Deny the what now? What god? Oh that's right, the one you stubbornly refuse to provide evidence for.

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If you believe that there is a God, you can discuss the details of the different religions to know the true religion. But if you deny the presence of the God, your attempt to discuss the details of different religions will be illogical.

Assuming the existence of that which you are trying to prove is illogical.

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2-The prophet –may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him-married more than one wife for many reasons. I am not going to enumerate them here.

Personally I think there are better arguments against Islam anyways, so let's focus on the good stuff like the abysmal lack of scientific knowledge the book demonstrates. Can you explain why a divinely inspired book looks to me like the work of a primitive culture and not the work of an omniscient deity? With all due respect to Prometheus_fr.

Wael El-Manzalawy · 10-24-2005, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Weltall

Personally I think there are better arguments against Islam anyways, so let's focus on the good stuff like the abysmal lack of scientific knowledge the book demonstrates. Can you explain why a divinely inspired book looks to me like the work of a primitive culture and not the work of an omniscient deity? With all due respect to Prometheus_fr.

1- I am an Arabic short story writer. I have read many of the masterpieces of Arabic literature. I am sure that no human being can write the Quran .It is the word of the God.
2- Many western scientists became muslims when they discovered some of the scientific accuracy of the Quran.
3- You see the Quran primitive. It is your personal problem.

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JPD Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 5,322	Go on, treat us to some miracles, such as the Quran predicting the atomic weight of iron or the speed of light (unless, that is, you apply actual mathematics to the problem and leave the "adjustments" to one side)

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