spin

Non-titular κυριος points to god early. Later to Jesus, when the scribes try to understand rather than copy. V.5 indicates god. Jesus is nowhere in the verse. And who does the keeping in chains in v.6? That subject is the lord in v.5.

That list tops Aland's apparatus. (I'm only using Nestle-Aland NTG.) But you can basically see the form supplied in the text from the apparatus (with bias towards Sinaiticus circuitously supported by the Majority!!? ) :

παντα οτι [ο] κυριος απαξ

And θεος Χριστος is simply great!

spin

Come off it, Stephan. I don't favor mythicism. You are just being lazy. (Mythicism and historicism are too close in the case of Jesus, both eking conclusions out of the same unfruitful sources.)

Solo

Joshua destroyed all the infidel at Jericho, including livestock:

Jos 6:21 Then they utterly destroyed all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and asses, with the edge of the sword.


But he spared Rahab the harlot and her kin in Jericho because she believed and saved his spies. (Jos 6:25)

Jos 2:10-14 ".. For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red Sea before you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites that were beyond the Jordan, to Sihon and Og, whom you utterly destroyed. And as soon as we heard it, our hearts melted, and there was no courage left in any man, because of you; for the LORD your God is he who is God in heaven above and on earth beneath. Now then, swear to me by the LORD that as I have dealt kindly with you, you also will deal kindly with my father's house, and give me a sure sign, and save alive my father and mother, my brothers and sisters, and all who belong to them, and deliver our lives from death. And the men said to her, "Our life for yours! If you do not tell this business of ours, then we will deal kindly and faithfully with you when the LORD gives us the land."



Best,
Jiri

sotto voce

There's nothing to understand if 'lord' is the original. 'Jesus' must have been the original.

Tough on polytheism, eh.

spin

From stephan's data (working on the non-titular κυριος being god to any Jew):

god: . παντα οτι κυριος απαξ (all, that the Lord) — א, Ψ
god: . παντα οτι ο κυριος απαξ — C 630 1505 2412 2495
god: . παντα οτι ο θεος απαξ (all, that God) — 2492
Jesus: απαξ παντα οτι Ιησους (all, that Jesus) — A B 33 81 2344 ar dem div vg eth
god: . απαξ παντα οτι κυριος — Ephraem
god: . απαξ παντα οτι ο θεος — C2
Jesus: απαξ παντας οτι θεος Χριστος (all, that God Christ) — 72
god: . απαξ τουτο οτι ο κυριος — L, 049 104 181 326 330 436 451 629 945 1877 2127 Byz Lect
god: . τουτο απαξ οτι ο κυριος — K, 056
god: . απαξ τουτο υμας οτι ο κυριος — 0142
Jesus: παντα οτι Ιησους απαξ — 322 323 665 1241 1739 1881 2298 itc copbo
Jesus: παντα οτι ο Ιησους απαξ — 88, 915

The principle is well known in text analysis: the non-titular κυριος indicating god is lectio difficilior for later christianity. There is no way to explain the θεος without it.

sotto voce

But the context is the people brought out of Egypt.

Sorry, no papalist heresy.

stephan huller

Solo the people of Jericho werent destroyed because they were unbelievers. Read the further arguments of the context of the Jesus statement. Joshua didnt chain angels. It cant be Joshua son of nun

Solo

The text of Jude does not say that those who were destroyed were among the ones saved from Egypt. The text indicates that those who did not believe were destroyed "subsequently" to Lord/Joshua delivering (his) people from Egyot.

Best,
Jiri

sotto voce

True. Yet we all know that they are the people referred to.

stephan huller

The argument used to overturn the superior textual support for Jesus is solely rooted in the Protestant desire to demystify christianity. It is "difficult" because they dont believe Jesus was at exodus. Imagine if our courts ran this way!