Amaleq13

Refusing to read my posts more carefully is a poor way to engage in a rational discussion.

You really don't understand the difference between denying a specific piece of alleged evidence for an event and denying the event? Or you just don't want to admit you misread the post?

Given that Gamera is clearly an example of just such a Christian, I don't understand your denial.

Yeah, that's what it is starting to look like.

What an odd reaction to the definition of a word. You've clearly got an agenda, Haran, but it doesn't appear to involve a rational discussion of the evidence. I'm not interested in defending the stereotypes and strawmen you project upon me or repeatedly correcting your seemingly endless mistaken assumptions about me. :wave:

Haran

Here is what I understand you to be saying, correct me, please...

We have a "magical" account of the resurrection portrayed in the gospels that should be rejected, and a "Christian" may not believe this "magical" account. However, that does not mean that they deny a resurrection. Is this correct?

If so, I find this rather odd. They have an account of a person being resurrected from the dead (which could be considered a pretty supernatural (of "magical", if you prefer) thing in itself. You seem to be saying that these people reject the "magical" account of the resurrection as told, yet they believe in the "magical" resurrection. Is this really what you are saying? If so, I find it very odd that they can believe in one but not the other, especially when the other is their only source for the alleged event in which they believe! Hmmm....

I have not been particularly impressed with Gamera's understanding of the bible, but his relationship with God is between God and himself.

Unfortunately, you have done nothing to alleviate the problems you have created for yourself. As to the problem with sterotypes and definitions, you are the one who has chosen an atheistic lifestyle. I cannot help it if atheists have no foundation for their beliefs other than faith in their own subjective decisions.

Amaleq13

Yes. I suspect you will find some who participate in this forum.

No. I'm saying they do not consider the Shroud to be credible but they still believe Jesus was resurrected.

I've attempted to disabuse you of your misconceptions but you appear to be a "reluctant learner".


"Sir, I have found you an explanation, but I am not obliged to find you
an understanding." -- Samuel Johnson

Haran

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. - Euripides :Cheeky:

Haran

I once wanted to become an atheist, but I gave up - they have no holidays. - Henny Youngman

The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful and has nobody to thank. - Dante Gabriel Rossetti

If there were no God, there would be no Atheists. - G. K. Chesterton

Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God. - Heywood Broun

Jon Barleycorn

Gamera & Haran are a perfect example of why Christianity has no validity whatsoever. Even those who "share the faith" can't agree to even disagree! Amaleg13 - to say that images of dead men don't just magically appear on shrouds is missing the point surely because in fact, it seems that at least once, one has - we in the 21st Century have not been able to yet say with certainty how it was done (even if we're certain that it's a fake) so how much more miraculous would such a thing have seemed to people in the 1st Century (or whenever) the shroud first appeared? (& the cloth on which the image is imprinted does, at least, appear to date from that time - apparently, although of course, I am no expert & so am only going on what I've heard) - However, just because we have an image of a dead man of 1st Century appearance, who appears to have suffered crucifixion, on a bit of cloth, I don't think that makes it an image of "Jesus" (whoever he was) - could be any poor sod who died that way!

Mythra

What possible confidence do we have that the phrases you're referring to were actually part of the original autograph of Paul?

And, Paul's imaginings of crucifixion in some other realm are not hard at all to conceive, considering his entire "gospel" was delivered to him directly through some type of personal revelation. (who knows exactly what that was)..
(It smacks of Joseph Smith's personal revelations to me.....) It has an odor.

And then there's his trip up to the seventh heaven where he witnessed things he couldn't even speak of.

Price presents a pretty good case that the synoptic gospel writers developed all of the crucifixion details directly from the old testament.

I have a hard time swallowing any of it. Paul may have actually been convinced. I'm not.

I don't see the need for an undeserved crucifixion to start the parade. All you need is one or two really good snake oil salesmen at the beginning.

Mythra

A fool says in his heart "there is no God"

A wise man says it out loud.

andrewcriddle

third heaven not seventh heaven

Andrew Criddle

Mythra

Thanks, Andrew. My bad. I was too lazy to look it up.

But truthfully speaking, is there a difference? One imaginary place is as good as the next.