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Oolon Colluphid · 11-03-2003, 04:15 AM

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Originally posted by Secular Pinoy
So what you're saying is that the historicity of the mythical flood may be very likely based on a theory involving an unverified, equally legendary, planet x? Is that about right? If so...

:banghead:

And what about this extra "layer around the biosphere which was mostly moisture"? Is this perhaps the waters up in the heavens that was separated by a canop or firmament? What's really interesting is that the unnamed scientists whom you used as authorities in this "fact" are (cultural?) anthropologists, not climatologists/meteorologists or perhaps geologists.

:banghead:

Could you elaborate further as to the identities of these scientists and their theories?

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Hmmm. As the old saying goes, so open that his brain has fallen out, apparently...

What do we think of the theory? It is rather less plausible than rain being Zeus pissing in a sieve (Aristophanes, The Clouds).

I suppose, to be charitable, we could say, "that's nice; let's see some evidence". But you know, in all the confusion, I've lost track of whether I've any charity left. Was that your tenth daft post, or only nine? Well Faith, should we be feeling charitable? Go ahead Faith, make my day.

TTFN, Oolon

Doctor X · 11-03-2003, 08:05 AM

I must admit I remain skeptical that the "Black Sea Flood" generated the flood myth. Flooding is a natural disaster common enough to generate myths based on it.

Regarding the above . . . it has been awhile since I have heard of Planet X . . . anyways, this theory breaks just too many laws of physics. . . .

--J.D.

Mageth · 11-03-2003, 08:11 AM

most anthropoligists agree the earth used to stay at a constant temperature

I'm just curious as to why anthropologists agreeing on such a thing (which, in reality, I doubt that they do) would carry any particular weight. That's not exactly their field of expertise.

roxrkool · 11-03-2003, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by -FAITH ALONE-

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-all continents have stories of a great flood in their history and this could explain such things as the water damage on the great pyramids

hope that helps and i dunno y nobodys postin responses but a'ight

I have not heard about the pyramids showing water damage.

I have heard of the apparent water damage to the Sphinx, however, which appears to be somewhat older than the Giza pyramids.

Where is this documented?

Doctor X · 11-03-2003, 09:58 AM

Hmmm . . . if the Global Flood of Death [Available on Pay-per-View.--Ed.] occured during the time of the building of Pyramids . . . which would rather sod the whole Exodus history . . . then how did the platypus make it to Australia?

--J.D.

Infidelettante · 11-03-2003, 04:12 PM

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Chiron · 11-03-2003, 06:41 PM

From what I know of Emmanual Velikovsky, he legitimately found certain parallels among various unconnected civilizations and their myths. He then went horribly, horribly wrong when he attempted to explain them with a profoundly flawed understanding of science.

It's somewhat like Tesla, who took his genius in electronics and tried to apply it everywhere, like in mind control devices (I have this on the authority of a Physics grad student), only Velikovsky didn't have the anthropological analogue of Tesla's electrical genius.

Basically, I and most of the people here have heard of this idea, and it's a crock. This sort of situation would violate multitudes of physical constants and/or laws, leading us to the conclusion that it's completely ridiculous.

-Chiron
post scriptum: out of curiosity, am I wasting my time? I mean, are you a drive-by poster? You can answer that by posting again, I do believe.

-FAITH ALONE- · 11-03-2003, 07:31 PM

Im not tryin to get everyone riled up here, just wondering if this theory has been put forth before...

It sounded just as ridiculous to me as it does to you, and even moreso now

-water damage,,,, I meant sphinx and vicinity

-The flood theory is moreless dead for me now, o well
but anthropologists(am I using the correct term here?) have found mountains of evidence that life on this Earth has almost entirely been wiped out several times before, then it flourishes again. ( This can be found in core sample studies from any part of the globe)

The planet x scenario is still a possible explanation for this, perhaps not any flood but a catalyst for evolution as the role of natural disasters is quite great...

Coragyps · 11-03-2003, 07:45 PM

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but anthropologists(am I using the correct term here?) have found mountains of evidence that life on this Earth has almost entirely been wiped out several times before, then it flourishes again.

Let's say "paleontologists" - anthropologists only study people, not ancient life in general.

And yes, life, or at least the bigger, more easily fossilized varieties of life - have been greatly reduced in abundance several times in the last half-billion years. The causes of these extinctions aren't terribly clear - the end-Permian is at about the same time as huge volcanic events, and the end-Cretaceous is pretty well tied to a big meteor hitting the Yucatan and to volcanism - but others don't have such clear markers.

Planet X is a pretty long long shot for the motivator behind meteor swarms, etc., and completely out of the question for causing "vapor canopies" to collapse and such - the physics of orbits just don't support it being there.

butswana · 11-04-2003, 11:54 AM

There is no water damage to the sphinx.
These non-geologist chariot of the gods people saw what appeared to them to be water erosion and ran with it.
The erosion paterns on the sphinx are due to the type of rock it is made of.

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11-03-2003, 08:05 AM	#12
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	I must admit I remain skeptical that the "Black Sea Flood" generated the flood myth. Flooding is a natural disaster common enough to generate myths based on it. Regarding the above . . . it has been awhile since I have heard of Planet X . . . anyways, this theory breaks just too many laws of physics. . . . --J.D.

11-03-2003, 08:11 AM	#13
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	most anthropoligists agree the earth used to stay at a constant temperature I'm just curious as to why anthropologists agreeing on such a thing (which, in reality, I doubt that they do) would carry any particular weight. That's not exactly their field of expertise.

11-03-2003, 09:58 AM	#15
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Hmmm . . . if the Global Flood of Death [Available on Pay-per-View.--Ed.] occured during the time of the building of Pyramids . . . which would rather sod the whole Exodus history . . . then how did the platypus make it to Australia? --J.D.

11-03-2003, 04:12 PM	#16
Infidelettante Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Deep South Posts: 889	edit to delete

11-03-2003, 06:41 PM	#17
Chiron Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 9 Zodiac Circle Posts: 163	From what I know of Emmanual Velikovsky, he legitimately found certain parallels among various unconnected civilizations and their myths. He then went horribly, horribly wrong when he attempted to explain them with a profoundly flawed understanding of science. It's somewhat like Tesla, who took his genius in electronics and tried to apply it everywhere, like in mind control devices (I have this on the authority of a Physics grad student), only Velikovsky didn't have the anthropological analogue of Tesla's electrical genius. Basically, I and most of the people here have heard of this idea, and it's a crock. This sort of situation would violate multitudes of physical constants and/or laws, leading us to the conclusion that it's completely ridiculous. -Chiron post scriptum: out of curiosity, am I wasting my time? I mean, are you a drive-by poster? You can answer that by posting again, I do believe.

11-03-2003, 07:31 PM	#18
-FAITH ALONE- Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: cincinatti Posts: 129	Im not tryin to get everyone riled up here, just wondering if this theory has been put forth before... It sounded just as ridiculous to me as it does to you, and even moreso now -water damage,,,, I meant sphinx and vicinity -The flood theory is moreless dead for me now, o well but anthropologists(am I using the correct term here?) have found mountains of evidence that life on this Earth has almost entirely been wiped out several times before, then it flourishes again. ( This can be found in core sample studies from any part of the globe) The planet x scenario is still a possible explanation for this, perhaps not any flood but a catalyst for evolution as the role of natural disasters is quite great...

11-04-2003, 11:54 AM	#20
butswana Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,804	There is no water damage to the sphinx. These non-geologist chariot of the gods people saw what appeared to them to be water erosion and ran with it. The erosion paterns on the sphinx are due to the type of rock it is made of.

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