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Old 10-28-2010, 04:46 PM   #41
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There is much evidence that this place was a well established sacred place for Egyptian religion___
And not one smidgen of -contemporary- writings, or any tangible archaeological evidence to back up any claims of any Christian involvement.

'Imaginative' 4th century church writings, and 4th century forged '2nd and 3rd century' church writings' are not valid evidence for 2nd century facts.

The Christian Church of the 2nd and 3rd centuries was small, divided into many feuding factions, and lacking both in power and influence.
Church writings that suggest or assert otherwise are fictions, designed to impress the uneducated and gullible, there simply was no strong or united 'catholic church' in those times. That there was any such strong and influential Christian movement during the first 3 centuries CE is a figment of latter church writers wishful thinking and imaginations.



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I agree and until there is then all theories are still valid even if some are less likely than others.
Personally I think it is likely that there were some religious groups before Constantine that resembled christianity to a degree but since the RCC became such a vile organization it is hard to trust them in anything and they were the only ones running the show for a very long time.
We cannot trust any writings made by the RCC and yet they were virtually the only ones interested in preserving christian stuff so it is atm a dead end.
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Old 10-28-2010, 06:36 PM   #42
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There is much evidence that this place was a well established sacred place for Egyptian religion___
And not one smidgen of -contemporary- writings, or any tangible archaeological evidence to back up any claims of any Christian involvement.

'Imaginative' 4th century church writings, and 4th century forged '2nd and 3rd century' church writings' are not valid evidence for 2nd century facts.

The Christian Church of the 2nd and 3rd centuries was small, divided into many feuding factions, and lacking both in power and influence.
Church writings that suggest or assert otherwise are fictions, designed to impress the uneducated and gullible, there simply was no strong or united 'catholic church' in those times. That there was any such strong and influential Christian movement during the first 3 centuries CE is a figment of latter church writers wishful thinking and imaginations.



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I agree and until there is then all theories are still valid even if some are less likely than others.
Personally I think it is likely that there were some religious groups before Constantine that resembled christianity to a degree but since the RCC became such a vile organization it is hard to trust them in anything and they were the only ones running the show for a very long time.
We cannot trust any writings made by the RCC and yet they were virtually the only ones interested in preserving christian stuff so it is atm a dead end.
In a way, my above assertions were tongue in cheek parodies of those types of unprovenanced assertions that others are so fond of tossing around.
It is quite easy to claim or assert just about anything, it is in the providing of supporting evidence for those claims and assertions that most fall down.
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