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chapka · 11-16-2006, 03:18 PM

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If God is going to reveal Himself in creation he would not be so cruel to have such hidden mystic knowledge. Almost everyone has heard of Christianity.

I asked before, and you ignored me: why does God hate Asian people, Native Americans, and Australian Aborigines? For most of history, most of these people were doomed to hell simply because they'd never heard of Jesus. How did God decide who got born somewhere where they might have a chance of getting saved and who didn't?

TomT · 11-16-2006, 03:19 PM

There is no documentation of anyone seeing these plates just because Joseph said so. In the Bible, John testified and Paul testified and Matthew testified, and James testified and Peter testified of seeing Jesus first hand and in their creeds they made early on was in agreement. Mark testified he was with Peter and Peter saw Jesus resurrected.

Seeing some plates is a physical object that is not life. Seeing Christ, who is God, resurrected is way better. Don't worship the physical, worship the uncreated.

Mormonism doesn't have that.

chapka · 11-16-2006, 03:19 PM

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The Talmud is not impressive at all. It rejects its own Messiah who came to die on the cross. It prophesied the Messiah, then when He came they call Him a liar and kill Him. Crazy stuff.

Do you know what the Talmud is?

TomT · 11-16-2006, 03:22 PM

Moreover, God is not gods. The Holy Spirit is not one being and the Father is not another being, for the Bible always shows us God's Tripartite nature of being God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, one Being, in 3 Persons. Show this too shows Mormonism is wrong, for they try to take a new spin on the Bible, but that is not the original view of the Scriptures.

chapka · 11-16-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TomT

There is no documentation of anyone seeing these plates just because Joseph said so. In the Bible, John testified and Paul testified and Matthew testified, and James testified and Peter testified of seeing Jesus first hand and in their creeds they made early on was in agreement.

Mormonism doesn't have that.

Again, yes, it does. The testimony is not just from Joseph Smith. The Three Witnesses and the Eight Witnesses believed that they saw the plates and signed their names. You can go to Utah and see their signatures. They also told people that they had seen them. ANd their "creeds" were sure as hell "in agreement" on this, or they wouldn't have followed him to Missouri.

Like it or not, the Mormons have a better claim to eyewitness testimony than you do. Give up your silly argument or convert to Mormonism.

TomT · 11-16-2006, 03:25 PM

Many years after the fact is untrustworthy. In Christ's case His resurrection was on the 3rd day and for 40 days.

TomT · 11-16-2006, 03:26 PM

You know mormonism is a lie since it comes centuries after the fact and alters the original meaning of the Bible. That is disingenuous. God is one Being, not 3 gods or beings.

TomT · 11-16-2006, 03:29 PM

Mormonism is an American obsession for a god on their soil. It is disingenuous and not accesssible to most people in the world like Christianity.

Clete · 11-16-2006, 03:29 PM

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You know mormonism is a lie since it comes centuries after the fact and alters the original meaning of the Bible. That is disingenuous. God is one Being, not 3 gods or beings.

What?! I thought God was an interdimensional zebra!

TomT · 11-16-2006, 03:31 PM

Nothing about God being a zebra. A zebra is an animal in creation. For you it is an idol like a golden calf.

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11-16-2006, 03:19 PM	#62
TomT Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 74	There is no documentation of anyone seeing these plates just because Joseph said so. In the Bible, John testified and Paul testified and Matthew testified, and James testified and Peter testified of seeing Jesus first hand and in their creeds they made early on was in agreement. Mark testified he was with Peter and Peter saw Jesus resurrected. Seeing some plates is a physical object that is not life. Seeing Christ, who is God, resurrected is way better. Don't worship the physical, worship the uncreated. Mormonism doesn't have that.

11-16-2006, 03:22 PM	#64
TomT Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 74	Moreover, God is not gods. The Holy Spirit is not one being and the Father is not another being, for the Bible always shows us God's Tripartite nature of being God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, one Being, in 3 Persons. Show this too shows Mormonism is wrong, for they try to take a new spin on the Bible, but that is not the original view of the Scriptures.

11-16-2006, 03:25 PM	#66
TomT Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 74	Many years after the fact is untrustworthy. In Christ's case His resurrection was on the 3rd day and for 40 days.

11-16-2006, 03:26 PM	#67
TomT Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 74	You know mormonism is a lie since it comes centuries after the fact and alters the original meaning of the Bible. That is disingenuous. God is one Being, not 3 gods or beings.

11-16-2006, 03:29 PM	#68
TomT Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 74	Mormonism is an American obsession for a god on their soil. It is disingenuous and not accesssible to most people in the world like Christianity.

11-16-2006, 03:31 PM	#70
TomT Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 74	Nothing about God being a zebra. A zebra is an animal in creation. For you it is an idol like a golden calf.

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