BriAnna

Well, if this thread becomes more polite, I'll move it to MD.

Darklighter

It is true that the ToE was posited based on observations, but the supporting math has overwhelmingly been discovered. Like the predictability of accumulated genetic mutations over time. Also there is the fact that Evolution can be modeled by computer programs... again this would not be possible if the math were not there. Just because you know nothing about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And you're wrong about Reletivity and QM as well. Both of those arose from observed phenomona that didn't fit into the already existing theories. I suggest you read some books by Hawking or Greene.

There's other problems with your (lack of) reasoning... but bottom line: Your OP is pure BS.

But what makes you think creationism doesn't suffer from the same (and to a much greater degree) 'lack of inherent math' that you claim evolution does? Your reasoning is a perfect example of how creationists cite a supposed deficiancy in the ToE and then claim victory without even checking to see if their own theory suffers from the same weakness!!! Intellectual dishonesty to the max.

If you want to make your logic work, replace Darwin with Phillip Johnson and Theory of Evolution with Intelligent Design.

AdamWho

no1nose

Sorry but it seems that your thread has been moved to the ghetto.

Please come back to the upper forums and try again. or you can do battle here....

AdamWho

Here is where you make your big mistake.

Evolution is based on the observation of thousands of scientist over the last 150 years. Evolutionary theory, has made predictions that have been verified. Genetics has proved beyond any shadow of doubt that "decent with modification" is a fact.

While Darwin and Wallace are the historical figures behind evolution, the theory has moved FAR beyond what they envisioned.

MrFungus420

Well, Darwin may have been the one who came up with the concept of descent with modification, but the idea of evolution has been around since the ancient Greeks at least.

Understandable. Evolution is based on evidence, Christianity is mythology.

No, they don't.

Funny, I thought that the central theme of Christianity was acceptance of Jesus as your personal saviour.

Not really. Evolution is about the changes that occur in populations over long periods of time and almost innumerable generations.

I think that you have stretched your comparison beyond the breaking point...

Well, the way that you basically redefined the meaning of Christianity and evolution, you managed to eliminate chance.

Then why did the ancient Greeks, who predated Christianity, come up with the idea of evolution?

No. His theory of descent with modification came from observation. It has been supported by further observation over the 150 or so years since. Observations from different fields of study including geology, biology, physics and genetics.

So, there is a significant amount of observation that supports evolution.

Now, what about the "math logic"?

MrFungus420

Instead of that, why not combine his two virtually identical threads, this one and http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=246593 ?

BriAnna

done.

Malintent

By that argument I will just respond with, "Your words are a poor approximation of the real thoughts you have. Therefore we cannot communicate information to each other that is useful or accurate."

no1nose

This really doesn't cut any ice.

no1nose

A couple of years ago I read of a disease causing strain of bacteria that had arrived in two South American countries at the same time. One country had treated water and in a short time the strain of the bacteria became far less virulent and people who contracted the disease only became mildly ill. In the country with untreated water the same strain of bacteria remained virulent and was the cause of a number of deaths. It appears that in this case that random mutation could not explain these changes and something else was going on.