Kosh

And yet you seem to know enough about them to post it all over the internet...we promise not to tell anyone.

Yes, they've just been "holding back" against Isreal all these years....

John A. Broussard

Please, please, let me in on the secret. How do you know this? How can I find out about how the world has been saved by fundamentalism?

This may be the greatest discovery of all time. Please don't keep it a secret.

Sven

Can anyone say "no-true-scotsman"?

Tell this to the mostly secular nations in Europe and Asia, which get along quite fine without fundies, and have even lower crime rates.
IOW, you need a reality check.

Yes. Why should I agree on something which is wrong so obviously by taking a tiny look at reality?

Sven

Do I understand this correctly - true fundamentalists are the ones who stone others for adultery?

Last I looked, you claimed that you provide evidence - not that we have to research it yourself. Anyone heard shifting goal posts?

:rolling: Lysi, please tell me: How many articles on actual archeology did you read before making silly statements like this?

Umm, sorry, but you basically admitted above yourself that it isn't data. *shrug*

gregor

It's always refreshing to see someone make a "no true scotsman" fallacy and actually use the word "true" in his falacious statement.

Lys' comment about what is "true fundamentalism" is classic.

Sauron

If you want to do something to address the "adamant stances", then a little evidence would go a long way. You see, we're rather used to seeing extraordinary claims around here. It's the lack of supporting evidence that makes people jaded and "adamant". And from the looks of your post, the particular interaction with you will be no different from any of the others....

Then there ought to be bucketloads of evidence - photos, chemical analyses, etc. Where is it?

Not really. The Israelis (and others) conduct excavations in Palestinian territory all the time. Rachel's tomb is a good example. If the permits for those digs aern't

Besides, who do you think you're kidding? The Palestinians aren't going to be upset if there is a lack of *permits*; they will be upset if there is any diggign going on whatsoever. So assuming this isn't just another Wyatt hoax claim, keeping the permits secret wouldn't hide the fact of the digging going on. The Palestinians aren't going to care if there is a permit covering the work or not; they aren't bureaucrats checking paperwork. All they will care about is the fact of the dig itself. Is the dig (or the claims of it) a secret? Of course not. It's all over the internet, in various fundie websites. And if it is actually happening, then it's going to be hard to hide it from people.

Which just leads me back to the original conclusion: the dig isn't even happening. It's all hogwash. The claims of wanting to avoid Palestinian anger don't hold up under scrutiny; such claims are only a ruse foisted on willing fundamentalists, to help them explain away the absence of real archaeology being done. But fundamentalists who don't stop to think this "can't anger the Palestinians' claim through carefully won't realize that it makes no sense.

As I and others have already pointed out, there are already such digs going on right now. No jihad.

So after all this noise and protestation, you admit that you do NOT, in fact, have any proof for your claims.

When you credit fundamentalism for saving the world, but provide no proof of it, what did you expect?

When you fail to address counterexamples offered to you, then what other reaction is appropriate?

Then why are you having such a hard time (a) proving it or (b) addressing the counterexamples?

I'm sure you do. But no one around here is going to be impressed by claims that are void of evidence.

Yes, it is, actually. You presented him here as an expert. His photos show what looks like encrusted sewage pipes. If he actually had anything worthwhile, the first thing a true archaeologist would do is get an outside opinion to validate it and avoid accidental embarrassment. But like all the Wyatt discoveries, this last step never seems to happen....wonder why....:rolling:

Our understanding is different. My understanding of data is the ordinary scientific and archaeological definition of 'data". Yours is "whatever you need to claim to support the bible."

badger3k

Don't forget Lys stance on credentials, as illustrated here: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...55#post2265755

He also considers "Dr" Hovind an expert - From this thread: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...0&page=1&pp=25
First post:
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...82#post2257282
There's more too, but it gives you an idea.

Boro Nut

So we agree on one thing. You don't believe it was in Ron's garage either.

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Johnny Skeptic

Let us not forget that historically, God has gone out of his way to make certain that his presence and power not be known beyond any doubt, such as by not predicting centuries in advance that Alexander would defeat Tyre, so it wouldn't be like him to eliminate doubt to the point where most people would believe that the Red Sea actually parted and destroyed Pharaoh's army. The more tangible evidence that Christians look for, the more they discredit the requirement and benefits of faith. Christians are inadvertently telling non-Christians "See, with all of this available tangible evidcence, you don't really need faith at all." The simple truth is that the vast majority of people who have become Christians did so because of family, geography, race, ethnicity, gender and age. Those factors are well-documented in a book titled 'One Nation Under God' by Kosmin and Lachman. Billy Graham praises the book, but I don't know why, since the factors that I mentioned do not indicate the involvement of the Holy Spirit.

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