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Old 03-28-2009, 08:01 AM   #141
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The NT is a rejection of Judaism
Not according to well-informed Jews.

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but this has nothing to do with the mythicist movement, other than acknowledging this to be the reality.
Both traditional Christian scholarship and mythicism try to strip the NT of its essential Judaism, in fulfillment of what Robert Young calls, "the ultimate Western fantasy - that Christ had not, in fact, been a Jew" (Colonial Desire: Hybridity in Theory, Culture, and Race, p. 85).

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What is Jewish about the total rejection of all things Jewish?
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What is Jewish about the total rejection of all things Jewish?
You mean all things rabbinical Jewish.

But there were other kinds. Christianity was arguably one of them.

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Well, from what I see, I just need to identify fiction to destroy Jesus.
Indeed. And to do so requires quite a bit of knowledge that I don't see that you have.
But, this is all non-productive nonsense.

You fail to understand that your opinion of me is just worthless. I never ever even think about you or your qualifications when I form an opinion about the myth called Jesus.

I am interested in passages like Matthew 1.18, Luke 1.35 and Acts 1.9, these are obvious mythical tales or blatatant fiction.

Jesus came to earth as a fiction and left as fiction.
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What is Jewish about the total rejection of all things Jewish?
Please. What makes someone Jewish in a broad sense? What excludes someone?

Surely the Christian-Rabbi debate is one of wrestling for the God of Israel. Who is chosen. Who owns the history and where was it leading. That the word "Jew" was left to the Rabbi's doesn't change that Christianity is part of big-tent Judiasm, one that included Philo, temple-men, the Church etc. etc.
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The problem is that rabbinic Judaism "won." It gave us our Mishnah, our Gemara, all our voluminous commentaries, our most important insights into ancient Jewish life.

It has been said often enough that the victors are the ones who write history.

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What is Jewish about the total rejection of all things Jewish?
You mean all things rabbinical Jewish.

But there were other kinds. Christianity was arguably one of them.

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Very weak.

Let me ask you this.

What, according to the NT, is God's name?
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What is Jewish about the total rejection of all things Jewish?
Please. What makes someone Jewish in a broad sense? What excludes someone?

Surely the Christian-Rabbi debate is one of wrestling for the God of Israel. Who is chosen. Who owns the history and where was it leading. That the word "Jew" was left to the Rabbi's doesn't change that Christianity is part of big-tent Judiasm, one that included Philo, temple-men, the Church etc. etc.
Please site one aspect of Christianity that is solely Jewish.
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The problem is that rabbinic Judaism "won." It gave us our Mishnah, our Gemara, all our voluminous commentaries, our most important insights into ancient Jewish life.

It has been said often enough that the victors are the ones who write history.

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The victors do indeed, write the history.

Sometimes the victors even steal parts of other peoples history to prop-up their own...
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Very weak.
You were speaking of normative Judaism, which is a red herring. I don't think it was weak to point that out.

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What, according to the NT, is God's name?
God doesn't have a proper name in the NT. He is called by either kurios or Theos. I'd love to know what you're getting at...

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Please. What makes someone Jewish in a broad sense? What excludes someone?
Surely the Christian-Rabbi debate is one of wrestling for the God of Israel. Who is chosen. Who owns the history and where was it leading. That the word "Jew" was left to the Rabbi's doesn't change that Christianity is part of big-tent Judiasm, one that included Philo, temple-men, the Church etc. etc.
Please site one aspect of Christianity that is solely Jewish.
Martyr cult - Maccabees.
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