Originally Posted by CX

Rubbish. PARAKLHTOS does not mean "praised one". I defy you to provide any academic reference indicating that it does. The etymology isn't even close. The prefix PARA is prepositional and means near, beside, by, at. The root KLHTOS means "called". According to the LSJ, PARAKLHTOS roughly means "called to one's aid". Secondly, all this apologetic tap-dancing totally ignores the usage in GJn 14:26. Your argument, I think, is that this a corruption of the text intended to obscure the true meaning as a prefiguration of Mohammed. We have MSS that date well before the birth of Mohammed that contain this verse and this word usage. So we are expected to believe that 14:16 prefigures a prophet who would arrive some 3 centuries later and then a century before this prophet's arrival another individual who would also have to be prophetic realizes that this is a prophecy of someone not yet born and then corrupts the text to hide the prophetic meaning. Or we can take the text a face value and accept that the author is talking about the Holy Spirit. Talk about running afoul of Occam's Razor.

A little reflection suggests to me that you are intending to replace PARAKLHTOS with PERIKLYTOS. I noticed this on a couple muslim apologetic sites. This too is ridiculous. PERIKLYTOS means "famous" or "reknowned". The problem though is that its usage is limited to the Homeric literature and period centuries before the emergence of Koine and the NT. PERIKLYTOS is not used anywhere in any Koine text including all known extrabiblical sources. It is never used in the NT because the word was essentially unknown in the period in question. It would be roughly equivalent to finding an obscure word in Beowulf used in a 21st century english text. This is nothing more than a cheap, rhetorical bait and switch. The word in ALL extant MSS including those from the earliest period from which we have MSS evidence use the word PARAKLHTOS.

Originally Posted by CX

The key term here that you are translating as MUSLIM is KATHRTISMENOS. IN Koine the word comes from the verb KATHRTIZO meaning "to perfect" so the phrase KATHRTISMENOS DE means "but perfected". By contrast the word transliterated in English as Muslim comes from the Arabic word meaning "to surrender" a Muslim, in Islam is "one who surrenders to god".

Originally Posted by CX

I've decided I'm not going to continue participating in this thread as the entire argument, so far, is ridiculous and not worthy of a thoughtful response. If there is anyone here besides River who doesn't think that every point put forward so far has been soundly thrashed let me know and I'll reconsider.

Originally Posted by River

I did not mention " Muslim " in the sense of establishing the fiver pillars but instead the way the Quran uses the word 'muslim"----which translates to " Submission to the Will of G-d".

Originally Posted by River

Thank you, moderator.

Salaam, Shalom, Shalem, Hashlama, Islam , Equus, Animus, Peace

River

Originally Posted by Ebonmuse

In that case, even according to your own argument, there is no prophecy of any kind here - merely Jesus telling his disciples to obey God, which is hardly an idea that originated with Islam.

Originally Posted by River

Jesus Christ is the Messiah

Originally Posted by dado

you are using "Messiah" incompatible with both jewish and x'ian meanings. what is your definition?

Originally Posted by River

I could list several prophecies here that actually pertain to Muhammad (pbuh) but I will restrict myself....the reason being is that people here on the Biblical Criticism & History forums are somewhat split between koine Greek or Aramaic as the appropriate language of Jesus Christ and his Gospel. I do not want to make it a war of languages. In the end its the content that matters. And the evidence speaks for itself.
---River

Originally Posted by LP675

So far it’s the lack of evidence that speaks for itself. I am not familiar with alleged prophecies regarding Muhammad in the NT. So please list the prophecies and a brief explanation of each (only the strongest ones if you don’t have much time). I wasn’t going to risk going to that link you posted after the warning given.