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I agree Jay

I have no problem with that.



our issue here is the scripture we are left with is not the original movement in judaism

but a roman based set of pieces by a culture that has nothing to do with the real man in question.


oral tradition is one thing and has the possibility to remain accurate.

in this case we have cross cultural oral tradition that reflects roman god-fearer's more so then a failed sect in judaism based on a mortal man heavily influenced by zealots and the sect of JtB.




yes true, but these are all hellenistic influences of god fearers and the pagans who who joined the movement.

NOT jews

If we take the cultural context of a poor starving handworker who held the status below that of a peasant in Galilee 1rst century, and apply that to a traveling teacher/healer who survived on dinner scraps with a very small following 2 or 3 fishermen, you realize that most of the magic written was later hellenistic mythology.

much of what you would call magic was more or less driving out percieved evil spirits and teaching the OT through unique parbles and metaphors. More important though much of jesus real movement was masked by mythology through the culture who wrote about this man. jesus had a large anti-tax, anti-roman movement and these are the people who ended up writing the mythology, his enemies who built biblical jesus in their needed image.

not that of a peaceful zealot who traveled and healed and preached for dinner scraps. jesus approach to the roman oppression was unique and his possible violence in the temple against teh roman corruption in gods house, martyred him