Dharma

er, not only did the gentiles call these people Christians but somehow an entire solar cult developed with a cross and worship on Sundays, etc...then worshipping the dark MARY and fair Mary...you still have not provided sufficient evidence of Mary from Miriam...

from O.Fr. marier, from L. maritare "to wed, marry, give in marriage," from maritus "married man, husband," of uncertain origin, perhaps ult. from "provided with a *mari," a young woman, from PIE base *meri- "young wife," akin to *meryo- "young man" (cf. Skt. marya- "young man, suitor").


and the latin Mari which comes from "Mas" does NOT come from "manno" or "manu" of Sanskrit, but Marya which also means "young man" in Sanskrit and sounds and means more like Mari as well...

and the meaning of Mary (young woman) and Madonna(my dominating lady) are similar BUT your derivation of Mary from the Hebrew Miriam which in fact means rebellious or bitter in Hebrew seems both theologically and etymologically unlikely.

besides, if you look at the Gospels, Jesus doesn't even want to see his mother.

So this neo-Christian hullabaloo about the "special" relationship of Christ to his mother is also not a part of the gospels, but a recognized part of early Christianity, about the special relationship of the Son of the Sun and the mother of the son of the Sun.

you must be able to explain all the discrepencies and how this can possibly relate to traditional Judaic practices.



well it seems obvious to me by that passage in Jeremiah that Yahweh and Asherah had a bitter separation...

spin

Louise Veronica Ciccone? She may have been born in America.

spin

(Can you cite me one explicit use of "mari" in Latin literature?)

There is not much point in regurgitating all this sludge. Most of it has all been dealt with.

Just one more point. The Peshitta uses MRYM for the nt maria.

And this is hilarious: "Madonna(my dominating lady)". Why muck around with things you are not trained to muck around with? First, domina is merely the feminine form of dominis, meaning "lord", so domina in Latin is a title given to a noble woman (here). Donna is the Italian form of domina and simply means "woman", madonna means "my woman" or "my lady". Please stop diddling about with things you need to study before speaking about.

Yeah, but so what? Yet another non sequitur.

And not even part of non-catholic christianity. Just more of your irrelevance.

The only thing I see is you running all over the place.

Well? Whenever Joshua was written, we have Joshua placing a pillar, symbol of the male god, under the tree, symbol of Asherah, in the sanctuary of the Lord. Things tend to mutate. Asherah's tree ends up the menorah.


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funinspace

If you say so, she ain't quite my style…I'd rather listen to Rammstein.

Next you'll be telling me that the Bank of America has Italian roots...

Visionary7

Your suggestion was noted. I have read the Bible and believe in it.Period, which has made my life alot simpler. Thank you

What's ironic though, is that I was trying to explain Biblical Scripture to you and you wrote that post? Dude...you made me chuckle..Thanks bro

Visionary7

Oh, BTW, Dharma..Listen to Spin,, X2..X3?

felix

Ruham?!!! :huh:

Rahim in arabic means merciful. So by simple yet unfaithful manipulation, you can say it means "merciful father."

Dharma

can you site me one explicit use of "christos" in pre-Christian Greek literature? If the Messiach is supposed to be the King of Israel, why wouldn't Greeks simply use the Greek word for King or Greek word for savior or simply say "savior king" which is equivalent to what the Messiach actually does? Again, it seems that the etymology you base your research on seems made up to simply justify that the myth of Yeshua is Judaic when it isn't. My argument is that someone was trying to convert the Jews using their own literature to try to explain certain Jewish concepts using vocabulary of a different language.

And this is nothing strange that in certain dialects "mari" would continue to be used to mean woman but not be necessarily in common usage.

Hmm, let's see, the Romans ruled that area and were mentioned directly in the New Testament and you even have a section called the "Romans"...now why would I careabout their version? Aramaic was the lingua franca of the region under the long gone Persian Empire. Now one would use standard logic and realize that the New Testament is more part of the Roman Catholic church (historically the Jesus story occured under Roman rule) than it is a part of the Eastern Church.

Madonna simply means "my lady" and is used as such and similarly Mari in it's pre-latin roots means lady, noble lady. And this is nothing strange that in certain dialects "mari" would continue to be used to mean woman but not be necessarily in common usage.

Mari meaning young woman would also be a more correct translation of the Hebrew prophecy where it was a young woman would give birth to the messiach...NOT necessarily a virgin.

(here). Donna is the Italian form of domina and simply means "woman", madonna means "my woman" or "my lady". Please stop diddling about with things you need to study before speaking about.



Roman Catholicism? Oh, I forgot Jesus lived under the Roman Empire...ohh, I wonder why the Romans and their writings are more important?

Dharma

very different from the Biblical definition of Abraham to mean a "father of multitudes" or "father of many nations"...one would think that, ahem, holy texts would concur on very important words.

spin

All throughout the LXX. The Jews coined this use of the term.

The Jewish translators attempted to translate the idea.

Which etymology are you talking about. We were talking about Maria.

I'm still waiting on one example. Cough up or be quiet.

You persist in refusing to deal withthe clear etymological trajectory I have provided you for the name Mary. You are saying that you have no response. Zippo. Zilch. Nada. You are just continuing for the sake of arguing.

I can't follow this.

You're back to regurgitating. You need to demonstrate your fantasies.

You still haven't given any evidence for this, your fantasy.

Christianity existed for a century or more of development before it got placed within the constraints of the Roman church.

A history of early christianity might be useful for your further reading.

Dharma, as I don't think you are ever going to get any more coherent, I see no benefit in dealing with your reveries.


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