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Tuvar Ane Ingolenen · 11-01-2004, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by show_no_mercy

This is what boggles my mind. If there was no "time" before the big bang, then how could there have been enough time to create time via the big bang? (I realize that I stole that line from another thread, but it's the same premise

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Originally Posted by parody

This is what boggles my mind. If there was no "place" north of the north pole, then how could you ever go south to get to the north pole? (I realize that this sounds silly, but think about it

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premjan · 11-01-2004, 05:32 AM

I think it is a piece of mathematical sophistry to claim that time started at the big bang. all we know for sure is that the universe underwent an early expansion event for which there is microwave background data. Other than that, noone even knows whether the universe/time/spacetime really started at that moment or not.

IamMoose · 11-01-2004, 06:28 AM

This sort of thing fascinates me, although my understanding of it is pretty limited. Do people think that it will ever be possible to explain irrefutably how the universe came to be?

I am not a Christian but the more I try and think about such things and the more my mind boggles the easier I come to realise why some people take the cop-out route of saying 'fuck it, God did it all now let's hit the pub.'

IamMoose · 11-01-2004, 06:30 AM

Oh for heaven's sake .. now it's too BIG to read. So ends my experimentation with fonts that I know nothing about.

Tuvar Ane Ingolenen · 11-01-2004, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by IamMoose

Oh for heaven's sake .. now it's too BIG to read. So ends my experimentation with fonts that I know nothing about.

You know about the "preview post" button right?

IamMoose · 11-01-2004, 10:33 AM

Well yeah but I use a dial up - a SLOOOOOOW dial up - so it takes me about a week and a half to make one post anyway. So i tend not to use it.

Tuvar Ane Ingolenen · 11-02-2004, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by IamMoose

Well yeah but I use a dial up - a SLOOOOOOW dial up - so it takes me about a week and a half to make one post anyway. So i tend not to use it.

Your perseverance is commendable.and sorry for wasting your bandwidth just to say this

Nice Squirrel · 11-02-2004, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MonCapitan2002

We need to find ways to destroy planets (potentially at least, I can't even begin to imagine what a one megaton matter - antimatter warhead's explosive yield would be).
:banghead:

It would yeild the same force as one megaton of TNT.

Sorry, just had to. Carry on.

IamMoose · 11-02-2004, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuvar Ane Ingolenen

Your perseverance is commendable.and sorry for wasting your bandwidth just to say this

LOL I'm used to it, I'm British...

Back to regularly scheduled programming, I'd be interested to know how accurate people believe current big bang/pre big bang theory to be?

Sven · 11-02-2004, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Volkov

This common theory is outdated. There is a newer one, but I don't know much about it.

Time is always around, whether we observe it or not. To think that the universe just came out of nothing like that would require the external impulse of God, and therefore, this older theory is nothing more than a secular creation myth. See http://www.marxist.com/science/bigbang.html in order to find out just how asurd the old Big Bang Theory is.

That's just another article trying to refute a theory about which the author knows next to nothing. I just skimmed it and found the discussion of Dark Matter just laughable.

Evidenced for example by your claim that the BBT said something like "the universe just came out of nothing".

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11-01-2004, 06:28 AM	#23
IamMoose Veteran Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: On the fringes of the Lake District, UK Posts: 9,528	This sort of thing fascinates me, although my understanding of it is pretty limited. Do people think that it will ever be possible to explain irrefutably how the universe came to be? I am not a Christian but the more I try and think about such things and the more my mind boggles the easier I come to realise why some people take the cop-out route of saying 'fuck it, God did it all now let's hit the pub.'

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IamMoose Veteran Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: On the fringes of the Lake District, UK Posts: 9,528	Oh for heaven's sake .. now it's too BIG to read. So ends my experimentation with fonts that I know nothing about.

11-01-2004, 10:33 AM	#26
IamMoose Veteran Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: On the fringes of the Lake District, UK Posts: 9,528	Well yeah but I use a dial up - a SLOOOOOOW dial up - so it takes me about a week and a half to make one post anyway. So i tend not to use it.

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