aa5874

You must give up as I expected.

My position is solidly supported by the evidence in Canonical Acts.

The author of Canonised Acts was aware of the Jesus story in the Canon.

Doug Shaver

So what? I'm using the logic correctly. They are not.

I don't remember saying they have been.

I believe they were not included because I believe the same author wrote both Acts and what we call Luke's gospel, and it would have been pointless for him to duplicate, in Acts, material that he had already put into the gospel. But, if they were written by different authors (which I admit is a possibility), then whoever wrote Acts was pretending to be the author of the gospel. In that case, if he had half a brain, he would have been concerned about making his pretense credible (unlike, say, the idiot TF forger who tried to make Josephus sound like a born-again Christian). If you're trying to produce a credible forgery, you don't write stuff that the writer you're pretending to be would not have written.

Duvduv

Sorry, it was rlogan who said that most of Justin's works were lost. Not you.

rlogan

I noticed you have not dealt with Justin's work entitled "Against Marcion" that is quoted by Irenaeus, and cited earlier in this thread.

We have lost that work, other than the piece quoted, but it sure demonstrates that Justin wrote about Marcion. Your "evidence" that Marcion did not exist was based on the theory that Justin Martyr did not write of him.

Doug Shaver

Not a problem. Happens to all of us sooner or later.

Duvduv

You believe the heresiologist that it was lost, I doubt it evet exizted.

Duvduv

Well he did forget that Luke's gospel tells us that Mary was a virgin.

Toto

Why is this so important?

There is an argument that I don't have the time now to find a reference for, that the birth described in Luke is not really a virgin birth, although it happens with divine assistance. Luke's birth story is modeled on "miraculous" births in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Duvduv

Because if Mary is important enough, then adding a word or two in Acts to describe her miraculous status would be expected. "THE VIRGIN Mary was his mother..." instead of just Mary.

rlogan

So it is his highness' omniscience. The narcissism is not a very compelling argument.

An argument is where you explain with motive, means, and opportunity the fabrication of a nonexistent person like Marcion. This is actually pretty easy to do when you have a leg to stand on like the Testimonium Flavianum or the Donation of Constantine for example.