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Robodoon · 03-22-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins

Aw fuck! Not another god damn mother-fucking son-of-a-bitch won't this subject just fucking die 9/11 thread!

Last time I checked Charlie Sheen wasn't an actual expert in any of the things he may have done in movies... except perhaps archery with a chicken. Why should his grossly unqualified opinion matter anything when put in the face of what experts have concluded? Because his pockets are lined with gold? (please note, when I said experts, I mean people within the field of structural engineering and explosives, not the crackpot web designers who are supposedly on top of the conspiracy)

whats your problem? 911 was allowed to happen and the buildings were demoed, Building 7 PROVES, prewiring was going on because the "Pulled" the building. Why are you up set, because they are questioning the talking heads on Corporate TV...well boo hoo. Or questioning a government that never tells the truth? oh my how dare they. There is so much that doesn't add up, and we had no real investigation, we are just told to Believe without any proof.

well bro thats not for me, Charlie isn't an expert but he is an American, I'm happy someone in Hollywood is saying something, Lord knows they say enough but at least this is in the right direction...towards the truth...

September 2000: PNAC published Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century:

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". . . the United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein. . . .
American armed forces stationed abroad and on rotational deployments around the world . . . are the cavalry on the new American frontier."

"Any serious effort at transformation must occur within the larger framework of U.S. national security strategy, military missions and defense budgets. . . . Further, the process of transformation . . . is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

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We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.

- David Rockefeller

Robodoon · 03-22-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GrandTheft Igloo

Charlie "I had sex with Heidi Fleiss' hookers dozens of times" Sheen?

Oh ya he's "credible".

D

No he is an actor, happy he is saying something, but many credible people have spoken up, but we don't hear about it on the evening news...golly I wonder why, the interests that did this has only controlled our media in the USA since 1915 as 1917 congressional records show.

Avatar · 03-22-2006, 04:43 PM

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Whats wrong with alex jones?

Nothing outside of the fact that he's a paranoia-wongering goofball who will give credence to any idiocy as long as it ups his ratings. His idiotic claims about a place that I personally worked security at (Bohemian Grove) and his open "admiration" of a delusional idiot who took his claims seriously and invaded the Grove armed to the teeth. It's damned lucky that the only people who were there the day he went in were the groundskeepers.

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whats your problem? 911 was allowed to happen and the buildings were demoed, Building 7 PROVES, prewiring was going on because the "Pulled" the building. Why are you up set, because they are questioning the talking heads on Corporate TV...well boo hoo. Or questioning a government that never tells the truth? oh my how dare they. There is so much that doesn't add up, and we had no real investigation, we are just told to Believe without any proof.

This garbage has been beaten to death already. No one "pulled" the building, the firefighters inside it were pulled out. The claims of the conspiracy theorists have been dismantled time and time again when measured against the evidence in the light of day.

Robodoon · 03-22-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Do you have a source for his radical left stance on some issues? I only ask because I am for some unexplainable reason interested in the political leanings of celebs. According to a list provided by the Hollywood Republicans he isn't on the bad side or good side or even middle. Maybe if you think he is clearly so left that he isn't trustworthy, you could let them know (link at top of the page) that you think he is a major leftist and why.

His dad is on the 'bad' list, but that hardly makes the guy leftist, let alone radical leftist.

That said, I agree this is definitely a non-story.

if its a none story, why is it being blacked out?

When the lefties blab in hollywood its all over the news, when the lefties shake their fists at bush its all over the news, but this doesn't fit the Left vs right dialectic of the media, that keeps us blind and stupid, so its removed...it doesn't fit into the media practial topics that keep us blind as a people.

There really is no left and right in DC, its all left. The left vs right dialectic is for the people, to keep us fighting with each other while the rich move ahead with their plans "THE VISION" We Americans are such sheep its really sad. But America is almost over, slavery is on the way for all...exept the new rulers.

Robodoon · 03-22-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by David B

From my recollections of what I've read in the press, he's an expert in two things.

Coke and whores.

David B

So are presidents of the USA

Robodoon · 03-22-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadbeat

How many fucking times does it have to be pointed out that
a) the steel did not need to MELT. It just had to weaken to the point that it could no longer support the TONNES of concrete and steel above the impact point.
b) the jet fuel alone was not the only stressor on the building that day. It had also absorbed the impact of several hundred tonnes of high-velocity jetliner.

Watch this video:
Tower Collapse

Pay close attention to the corner of the building between seconds 8 and 12. If you can still say that it was a controlled demolition after that, then I can honestly say that you are completely delusional.

the buidlings free fell, what weakened the lower portions of the building?
And notice the Building had 47 huge interior colunm as well as going from 6 mil steel at the top to 100-200 mile steal at the bottom, it got stronger as it got closer to the ground, but it all fell at the same rate...how did that happen?

The steel in this building also Bends, it doesn't shatter, but it shattered all into nice little piece.

cjack · 03-22-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Robodoon

Well I disagree, I think he does a pretty good job explaining whats going on.

The quality of his work, IMO, is just below poor. I watched one of his "documentaries" and consider it to be time well wasted.

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You are going to be really upset once you finally understand how the world works.

That seems to be an insult, which is against IIDB rules. Care to offer a retraction?

Lance Uppercut · 03-22-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Robodoon

if its a none story, why is it being blacked out?

Is this a leading question? I am saying it is a non-story and is being ignored, you say it truly is newsworthy but is being blacked out.

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There really is no left and right in DC, its all left. The left vs right dialectic is for the people, to keep us fighting with each other while the rich move ahead

Coke and Pepsi are the same thing! Wake up, people!

TollHouse · 03-22-2006, 05:02 PM

Ahh man ... can't we save the Alex Jones conspiracy horseshit for the political forums?

Robodoon · 03-22-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatar

Nothing outside of the fact that he's a paranoia-wongering goofball who will give credence to any idiocy as long as it ups his ratings.

Don't worry you always have your trusted friend who loves you, Corporate media and government.

And what ratings are you talking about, most people don't know who he is, he pays his own way and isn't a hannity or a rush being handed a network. how dare him.

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His idiotic claims about a place that I personally worked security at (Bohemian Grove) and his open "admiration" of a delusional idiot who took his claims seriously and invaded the Grove armed to the teeth. It's damned lucky that the only people who were there the day he went in were the groundskeepers.

Oh I live by the grove, its been active for 125 years...hitler was a member as well. I guess your working for the wrong people.... Do you know what Pagan rites are? I do.

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This garbage has been beaten to death already. No one "pulled" the building, the firefighters inside it were pulled out.

NOPE, there weren't firefights inside as I remember it. Pull is a demo term. and the building was pre wired, also security was via Bush's cousin and the cameras were such down the weekend before the attack.

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The claims of the conspiracy theorists have been dismantled time and time again when measured against the evidence in the light of day.

OH Brother, go watch some more TV

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TollHouse Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 8,745	Ahh man ... can't we save the Alex Jones conspiracy horseshit for the political forums?

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