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Old 06-27-2001, 03:30 PM   #11
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">According to the late unlamented ksc :
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Gee, I miss him. The hell with it. There are plenty of Xns to go around.

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Old 06-27-2001, 10:15 PM   #12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by diana:
Naaaah. I don't think so:

"Of clean beasts, and of beasts that [are] not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah."

Nothing about gathering up the fishies. I suspect the writers of Genesis simply didn't think about the salt/freshwater snag. How were they to know that someday, people would take the story seriously?

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One of each is not the same as two and two. Your bible is wrong there.

The OT writers were so smart that they could write a book we can not understand.

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Old 06-28-2001, 06:24 AM   #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Amos123:
One of each is not the same as two and two. Your bible is wrong there.</font>
Where are you getting this "one of each" stuff? BC&V, please.

And it really isn't mine in the true sense of the word. I stole it from some dude named Gideon. Has his name embossed on the front....if I ever run into him, I have some explaining to do.

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Come again?

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Old 06-28-2001, 03:01 PM   #14
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Foxhole Atheist:
During the period of the flood, time went into fast forward and the fish evolved.</font>
And I can prove it, too! 'Cuz I know a guy who had a freshwater fish in an aquarium and slowly added saltwater. Or maybe it was the other way around. But anyway, after a year, the fish had adapted, thus proving Evilution to be false.

Okay, so I didn't know the guy. But
Kent Hovind does. Careful when you hit the link, though. Dr. Dino's website is just loaded with cookies for his bookstore, his newsletter, etc.
 
Old 06-28-2001, 03:23 PM   #15
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"Wake me up when you find out how many pounds of fresh eucalyptus leaves were on board to feed the koala bears."

It is interesting how many people say koala "bears" when Koalas are not actually a bear kind.

But that is now, and the problem of Koala food has been solved. You see, koalas were once part of the bear "kind" (hence the racial memory aspect of calling them bears), They were not a separate species and were not on the ark at all.

When the flood receeded and Australia floated off into the Pacific, there was a shortage of bear food for the bear kinds which got stuck on our little island. They took to eating eucalyptus leaves.

Since there was insufficient food around, they started getting smaller, and as they ate the lower leaves, they needed to develop claws to be able to climb up the trees to reach available food.

And, finally they have become the cute little cuddly furry critters we know today.

A classic case on micro-evolution in action.

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Old 06-28-2001, 03:27 PM   #16
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And I am still waiting for an answer from someone as to how in the hell Noah knew which animals were clean and which animals were unclean.

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Old 06-28-2001, 06:59 PM   #17
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Posted by Grumpy: "And I can prove it, too! 'Cuz I know a guy who had a freshwater fish in an aquarium and slowly added saltwater. Or maybe it was the other way around. But anyway, after a year, the fish had adapted, thus proving Evilution to be false.

Okay, so I didn't know the guy. But
Kent Hovind does. Careful when you hit the link, though. Dr. Dino's website is just loaded with cookies for his bookstore, his newsletter, etc"

Cute theory, even if it's wrong. I checked the link and the experiment went on for 10 years before the fish lived together. Two problems; 1)pretty miraculous that he got basic tropical fish to live 10 years (most don't) & 2) how does this really apply to the flood when the fish had only 40 days to adapt??

But the guy has some pretty interesting/kooky stuff on his web site. Anybody know a site that de-bunks it??

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And I am still waiting for an answer from someone as to how in the hell Noah knew which animals were clean and which animals were unclean.
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I know it sounds wimpy, but for what it's worth, this is how this question was dealt with in my church when I was a kid: Noah knew which critters were clean and unclean the same way Cain and Abel knew what would constitute an acceptable sacrifice. Obviously, God told them. We know this because God wouldn't judge and punish on the basis of a rule he hadn't made known, because that wouldn't be fair, would it? Just because the Bible doesn't explicitly tell you that they'd been so briefed doesn't mean they weren't. It only makes sense to assume they were.

IOWs, the old "Start With Z And Reason Backwards To A" Strategem.

Perhaps a better question is why, if this information was taken for granted all the way back to the beginning, did God suddenly see the need to delineate it so late in the game. Don't you think Moses was sitting there rolling his eyes and saying, "Well, DUH! Lord...."

Hope I've been of assistance.

diana

 
Old 06-30-2001, 02:51 PM   #19
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For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
Dosn't this verse say everything living not on the ark is history? Fish, bird, tree everything!
 
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by diana:
We know this because God wouldn't judge and punish on the basis of a rule he hadn't made known, because that wouldn't be fair, would it? Just because the Bible doesn't explicitly tell you that they'd been so briefed doesn't mean they weren't. It only makes sense to assume they were.

IOWs, the old "Start With Z And Reason Backwards To A" Strategem.
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Wow, this is the same trick that the late unlamented Freego pulled out of his... arsenal. After wringing as much milage as he could out of "mistranslations" that were clear only to him and Ellen G. White, he explained that Adam and Eve, they who had not yet eaten the fruit of the tree of knowledge, were fully cognizant of the War Fought In Heaven. They knew all about Satan, temptation, snakes, Life, the Universe and Everything. Therefore, they were fully informed of all backstory, consequences and repercussions when they ate the Forbidden Froot.

"Okay, where in the bible..." Oh, it's not actually there. But God is such a loveydove, he wouldn't judge them so harshly if he hadn't told them all about the forces of Good and Evil in the world, yada yada.

Fundie's First Rule : God always, always gets the benefit of the doubt.
 
 

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