Deathscyth Hell

No offense DH, but shouldn't you know?
I mean, if you've decided to live you're life by the words of God than shouldn't you know what His words really mean?
Does anyone else find this odd?

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Actually I'm going to start learning greek soon,I would like to start next semester. I would have learned it earlier, but there is no one to teach me, This is my first year in college so I get all kinds of opportunities to learn scholarly languages. At this university I plan on learning Ancient Greek, and Ancient Hebrew.

Does anyone know were I could find Good latin and Aramaic courses?

Bree

You're going to have trouble finding a college course which outlines Latin for the purpose of translation. Most colleges (sadly) offer Latin to medical students as to create a strong basis for terminology.

I know that St. Olaf in Minnesota offers a decent course in usable Latin.

TollHouse

And this is loving?

aikido7

Since the "clearest definition" of the original sin doctrine comes from the Catholic Catechism (certainly not from anything Jesus said or even from the dense complexity of St. Augustine's writings) you could be basing your arguments not from the specific (con)text, but from the apolgetic hedge "in other words."

Perhaps there is a fine line between "adding to" Scripture and "augmenting" or "illuminating it."

My differences with you are fundamental. I see the Bible as a dense interweave of history and theology, relying on the all-too-human medium of oral tradition. The Jesus I recognize in the gospels seems to view life as something to be celebrated. His actions and words point to a vision that everyone has immediate access to God without the oak table of priest or temple blocking the way. Those who forgive are automatically forgiven in the eyes of the Father in Heaven. The institution of the church (which Jesus never asked his followers to build) has now taken the place of his original vision of the Kingdom of God.

[ September 29, 2001: Message edited by: aikido7 ]

Vorkosigan

So you regard the passage in Matthew (18 16-18?) as an interpolation by the Church?

michael

ChadD

Did you instead mean, "those who ask to be forgiven, they themselves are automatically forgiven in the eyes of the Father in Heaven"?

Or did you mean as it appears that, if you forgive others, you yourself are automatically forgiven in the eyes of the Father in Heaven.

aikido7

Since the patterned and unparalleled praxis of Jesus in the synoptic gospels points to an unbrokered relationship to God, I certainly do. If everyone has immediate and particular access to God, then any talk of founding a priesthood and clergy makes no sense to me.

aikido7

Jesus forgives because God forgives. There is no reward or punishment implied. He tells the adultress, the blind man and the paralytic that they are forgiven. Period.
But one can be forgiven only in the same measure that one forgives: there is a reciprocity involved which leaves out priests, temple and even God. Here on earth, Jesus seems to have said and demonstrated, God's work must truly be our own.

Boro Nut

This directly contradicts statements made by Glen Hoddle which contributed to his sacking as manager of England. However, as Jesus has never managed a football team at any level, it does seem to make his opinion less credulous.

Nomad

I do not follow your argument here at all aikido. Since the system of apostles, teachers, pastors and deacons was well established , even by the time of Paul (see 1 Corinthians 12:28-29, Ephesians 4:11, Philippians 1:1), and Paul's epistles almost certainly predate Matthew, why would you consoder Matthew 18:16-19 to be an interpolation? All textual arguments I have ever seen consider it to be in the original gospel of Matthew, and we certainly have no evidence to contradict this from any MSS.

How did you arrive at your judgement?

Nomad