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Old 08-24-2001, 11:07 PM   #11
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They do blaspheme who say: Allah (the The father ) is one of three (in a Trinity): for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them .(Quran 5:73)

Say: He is Allah, the One
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him ((Quran112:1-4)
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Old 08-24-2001, 11:09 PM   #12
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of course not. but to be like the teacher is enough for the disciple.
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Old 08-24-2001, 11:20 PM   #13
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of course not. but to be like the teacher is enough for the disciple.

Which post is this in response to? You're not going to post the whole bible, or Kent Hovind is not god (which was, of course, sarcasm?)
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Old 08-25-2001, 04:22 AM   #14
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Originally posted by Technos:
<STRONG>Bible quotes prove nothing.</STRONG>

No, but they make a great security blankey.
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Old 08-25-2001, 08:47 AM   #15
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Great. The Bible says God exists. How do we know that the Bible is accurate? Heck if I know.

Boy, if there is a thread that belongs in the Special Christian Discussion forum, this is it.
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Old 08-25-2001, 09:04 AM   #16
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Originally posted by irenaeus:
<STRONG>"I am the LORD, and there is no other." (Isaiah 45:18)</STRONG>
irenaeus, any proof of this outside the Bible?
I think there is no proof of this outside the Bible, so just forget the Bible: it's flaky because unsupported.
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Old 08-25-2001, 11:00 AM   #17
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God testifies to his own existence.

"I am the LORD, and there is no other." (Isaiah 45:18)
Actually, this is not an accurate characterization of this quote. Even skipping a lot of steps, what this evidence shows is that some guy who typeset your bible is claims that he read what some other guy claims is an accurate translation of what some other guy claims to have copied from what some other guy claimed that Isaiah claimed that Yahweh told him.

The chain of inferences and claims is so tenuous that this quote's actual evidentiary value is zero. Even with considerable historical scholarship to shore up the later inferences (we can be fairly confident that the translation and copying are accurate), we have no way of verifying Isaiah's testimony and thus we can view the evidence of your bible as only probability that Isaiah made a particular claim.

This thread should be titled (at best), Isaiah testifies to God's existence.

[ August 25, 2001: Message edited by: SingleDad ]
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Old 08-25-2001, 11:24 PM   #18
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As there's little meaningful discussion that can happen in this thread, I'm giving it the Special treatment. If you'd like to start a new thread on some topic that's relevant to this forum (for example, an argument that the testimony of the prophets is accurate, or something along these lines), feel free to do so.

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