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Bedouin · 08-24-2001, 11:07 PM

They do blaspheme who say: Allah (the The father ) is one of three (in a Trinity): for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them .(Quran 5:73)

Say: He is Allah, the One
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him ((Quran112:1-4)

irenaeus · 08-24-2001, 11:09 PM

of course not. but to be like the teacher is enough for the disciple.

Mageth · 08-24-2001, 11:20 PM

of course not. but to be like the teacher is enough for the disciple.

Which post is this in response to? You're not going to post the whole bible, or Kent Hovind is not god (which was, of course, sarcasm?)

Queen of Swords · 08-25-2001, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by Technos:
<STRONG>Bible quotes prove nothing.</STRONG>

No, but they make a great security blankey.

Family Man · 08-25-2001, 08:47 AM

Great. The Bible says God exists. How do we know that the Bible is accurate? Heck if I know.

Boy, if there is a thread that belongs in the Special Christian Discussion forum, this is it.

Ion · 08-25-2001, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by irenaeus:
<STRONG>"I am the LORD, and there is no other." (Isaiah 45:18)</STRONG>

irenaeus, any proof of this outside the Bible?
I think there is no proof of this outside the Bible, so just forget the Bible: it's flaky because unsupported.

SingleDad · 08-25-2001, 11:00 AM

Quote:

God testifies to his own existence.

"I am the LORD, and there is no other." (Isaiah 45:18)

Actually, this is not an accurate characterization of this quote. Even skipping a lot of steps, what this evidence shows is that some guy who typeset your bible is claims that he read what some other guy claims is an accurate translation of what some other guy claims to have copied from what some other guy claimed that Isaiah claimed that Yahweh told him.

The chain of inferences and claims is so tenuous that this quote's actual evidentiary value is zero. Even with considerable historical scholarship to shore up the later inferences (we can be fairly confident that the translation and copying are accurate), we have no way of verifying Isaiah's testimony and thus we can view the evidence of your bible as only probability that Isaiah made a particular claim.

This thread should be titled (at best), Isaiah testifies to God's existence.

[ August 25, 2001: Message edited by: SingleDad ]

Muad'Dib · 08-25-2001, 11:24 PM

As there's little meaningful discussion that can happen in this thread, I'm giving it the Special treatment. If you'd like to start a new thread on some topic that's relevant to this forum (for example, an argument that the testimony of the prophets is accurate, or something along these lines), feel free to do so.

[ August 26, 2001: Message edited by: Muad'dib ]

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08-24-2001, 11:07 PM	#11
Bedouin Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: All lands are promise lands. All lands are Holy lands Posts: 71	They do blaspheme who say: Allah (the The father ) is one of three (in a Trinity): for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them .(Quran 5:73) Say: He is Allah, the One Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him ((Quran112:1-4)

08-24-2001, 11:09 PM	#12
irenaeus Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 147	of course not. but to be like the teacher is enough for the disciple.

08-24-2001, 11:20 PM	#13
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	of course not. but to be like the teacher is enough for the disciple. Which post is this in response to? You're not going to post the whole bible, or Kent Hovind is not god (which was, of course, sarcasm?)

08-25-2001, 04:22 AM	#14
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by Technos: <STRONG>Bible quotes prove nothing.</STRONG> No, but they make a great security blankey.

08-25-2001, 08:47 AM	#15
Family Man Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Superior, CO USA Posts: 1,553	Great. The Bible says God exists. How do we know that the Bible is accurate? Heck if I know. Boy, if there is a thread that belongs in the Special Christian Discussion forum, this is it.

08-25-2001, 11:24 PM	#18
Muad'Dib Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 845	As there's little meaningful discussion that can happen in this thread, I'm giving it the Special treatment. If you'd like to start a new thread on some topic that's relevant to this forum (for example, an argument that the testimony of the prophets is accurate, or something along these lines), feel free to do so. [ August 26, 2001: Message edited by: Muad'dib ]

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