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Family Man · 07-12-2001, 08:11 PM

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Read my post Dennis as it answers your question in the negative. Apologies if you were just being sarcastic as it's hard to tell.

Yours

Bede

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No, it just struck me that you are looking for an excuse to dismiss an argument you don't much like. It looks like you've accomplished your mission. Better be very careful with your facts in the future; demands for perfection have a way of biting those making the demand.

07-13-2001, 01:32 AM

Peter, thanks for going through the essay. I am pleased someone has the time that I don't. Dennis and Ron would dismiss anything I say as I'm a Christian any way but they may accept it from you.

Any chance of your emailing your comments to the page's author? You can add my three points too for free

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Yours

Bede

Bede's Library - faith and reason

Family Man · 07-13-2001, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by Bede:
<STRONG>Peter, thanks for going through the essay. I am pleased someone has the time that I don't. Dennis and Ron would dismiss anything I say as I'm a Christian any way but they may accept it from you.

Any chance of your emailing your comments to the page's author? You can add my three points too for free

.

Yours

Bede

Bede's Library - faith and reason</STRONG>

It's not a matter of whether you are Christian or not. You've shown three factual errors in the essay then made claims that the rest contain "anachronisms and suppression of evidence". I do not know if this is so. It may well be. Peter Kirby did a good job of analyzing the evidence. You cavalierly dismissed it on the basis of three factual errors and broad claims you didn't back up.

Whether Kirby is correct, I do not know and I'm afraid I don't have time to look into it carefully. I was just wondering where your Christian charity was.

Peter Kirby · 07-13-2001, 04:07 PM

Hello Bede,

I e-mailed my comments to the author.

best,
Peter Kirby

Peter Kirby · 07-13-2001, 08:49 PM

Hello Bede,

The author thanked me for the criticisms and said that he would find them helpful in improving the essay.

best,
Peter Kirby

Nomad · 07-15-2001, 11:17 PM

Hello frosty

I agree with Bede that Peter's site is among the best in presenting a non-Christian perspective on the New Testament, and recommend it very highly.

As for a more traditional (and conservative) view of the dating and authorship of the NT Canons, I would recommend Dr. Daniel Wallace's Prof's Soapbox. Just scroll about 1/4 of the way down the page to see an in depth discussion of each of the books of the NT from Mark to Jude (Revelation is not discussed, nor are the non-Canonicals). Even if you do not agree with all of Dr. Wallace's conclusions, he does address the arguments and evidence both for and against his view, and I know from personal experience that he is very good about replying to specific questions sent to him by email.

I hope that this helps, and welcome to the Boards.

Peace,

Nomad

Vorkosigan · 07-16-2001, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by Nomad:

As for a more traditional (and conservative) view of the dating and authorship of the NT Canons, I would recommend Dr. Daniel Wallace's Prof's Soapbox.

Great collection of stuff, Nomad. Many thanks.

His last article on roman slavery, however, is awful. Roman slavery was even more brutal than southern slavery, except for the minority of slaves who served as house slaves.

Michael

[ July 16, 2001: Message edited by: turtonm ]

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07-13-2001, 01:32 AM	#22
Bede Guest Posts: n/a	Peter, thanks for going through the essay. I am pleased someone has the time that I don't. Dennis and Ron would dismiss anything I say as I'm a Christian any way but they may accept it from you. Any chance of your emailing your comments to the page's author? You can add my three points too for free . Yours Bede Bede's Library - faith and reason

07-13-2001, 04:07 PM	#24
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Hello Bede, I e-mailed my comments to the author. best, Peter Kirby

07-13-2001, 08:49 PM	#25
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Hello Bede, The author thanked me for the criticisms and said that he would find them helpful in improving the essay. best, Peter Kirby

07-15-2001, 11:17 PM	#26
Nomad Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada Posts: 410	Hello frosty I agree with Bede that Peter's site is among the best in presenting a non-Christian perspective on the New Testament, and recommend it very highly. As for a more traditional (and conservative) view of the dating and authorship of the NT Canons, I would recommend Dr. Daniel Wallace's Prof's Soapbox. Just scroll about 1/4 of the way down the page to see an in depth discussion of each of the books of the NT from Mark to Jude (Revelation is not discussed, nor are the non-Canonicals). Even if you do not agree with all of Dr. Wallace's conclusions, he does address the arguments and evidence both for and against his view, and I know from personal experience that he is very good about replying to specific questions sent to him by email. I hope that this helps, and welcome to the Boards. Peace, Nomad

07-16-2001, 05:49 AM	#27
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Originally posted by Nomad: As for a more traditional (and conservative) view of the dating and authorship of the NT Canons, I would recommend Dr. Daniel Wallace's Prof's Soapbox. Great collection of stuff, Nomad. Many thanks. His last article on roman slavery, however, is awful. Roman slavery was even more brutal than southern slavery, except for the minority of slaves who served as house slaves. Michael [ July 16, 2001: Message edited by: turtonm ]

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