Bedouin

Anther strong evidence The tradition of circumcised . Israeli and Ishmaeli are the only pre-Islamic people who circumcised their children.


Also i will try to see if i can translate any of the pre-islamic arabic poetry .

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Apikorus

Egyptians also practiced circumcision - we have evidence from cave paintings and stelae going back to the 6th dynasty (ca. 2500 BCE). Also aboriginal Australians practiced circumcision since ancient times, according to anthropologists.

Bedouin

I heard that ancient Egyptian practiced circumcision for there female, but have they done it for there male also?
(It looks like that Arabs inherited the practice of female circumcision from the Egyptian since there in no Islamic evidence (from the Koran or any authentic hadeeth) that support this kind of practice)
If Egypt had practice circumcision for there female only, then Israeli and Ishmaeli might be the only people in the meddle EST who practiced circumcision for there male children.

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Apikorus

No, I meant male circumcision. The Egyptians practiced male circumcision in the mid-third millenium BCE.

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Toto

It is relevant that Dr. Younis Shaikh (see this thread has been sentenced to death for blasphemy in Pakistan.

His alleged blasphemy: a student asked him questions about Mohammed's circumcision and other ritual purity or cleanliness practices (an article I read alluded to clipping pubic hair and hair under the arms.) Dr. Shaikh opined (allegedly) that Mohammed had not been circumcized, because this was not a practice of the desert Arabs. This was deemed "insulting to Islam," which requires the death penalty.

(I am basing this on an article I read earlier - sorry I don't have a URL that goes into the details of Dr. Shaikh's alleged blasphemy.)

So there is some support for the idea that the desert Arabs did not practice circumcision, but you might risk your life to say so in an Islamic theocracy.

Bedouin

I don’t have that much information in the history of circumcised practice in the ancient time
But I (recently) found out that ancient Greek recorded that the caananest(Palestinians) use to practice circumcised for there male children .
So it looks like that circumcised was commonly practiced in the Middle East, and not only between Jews and Arabs, but also other nations)
the Arabs pagans before and during the time of Prophet Muhammad use to practice circumcised.

What I was wondering about is where did the Arabs got this practice form?
Maybe they got it from the Egyptian. Or it might be a religious ritual from Abraham to his descendent after him (the Israelis and the Ishmaelis).


Ah, hu , Death penalty is NOT enough ,this guy needs to be crucified.
BTW, Some time silly and false news spread faster that the real news.


peace

Toto

What exactly do you mean by this? Is there some silly or false news about Dr. Shaikh??

Bedouin

The government will not put him to death for that silly reason. And the story (which you heard) is different form the story I heard, what I heard is that he said Muhammad became a Moslem at the age of forty (which is true) and his parents where non Moslems (which is also true).
The news begins very small and it gets bigger and bigger and when it reaches the viewer, it is totally some thing new

peace

Toto

You seem overly confident. People charged with blasphemy in Pakistan are often lynched by religious mobs even if acquitted.

I get my news from standard sources, like Newsweek:

Younus, a respected professor, denied the blasphemy charge at his trial, saying his remarks were twisted. “My students asked me about the shaving of pubic and armpit hair, and I, in describing the glory of Allah’s revelations, said that before the arrival of Islam, the Arabs did not have these practices—and truly they did not,” he said in a court statement. But the mullahs maintain that the professor’s remarks defile the prophet’s image and thus the law applies to him.

or the New York Times:

The students said he had told them that the Prophet had not become a Muslim until age 40 and that before then, he had not followed Muslim practices concerning circumcision or removing his underarm hair. The Movement for the Finality of the Prophet, well known for pursuing blasphemers, filed a criminal complaint and sent a mob to the college and the local police station, threatening to set them on fire.

Dr. Shaikh said in interview earlier this year at the Adiala jail in Rawalpindi that he had addressed questions in his classroom about whether Muhammad had been circumcised before receiving God's revelations at 40, and only remembers saying the Prophet's tribe did not follow that practice.

Bedouin

very very confident
The government will not put him to death for that silly reason.