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Toto · 09-11-2013, 06:30 PM

How Constantine Sold Christianity to the World

You can watch this 45 minute video for free if you enter an email address on the screen.

Simcha has discovered Mithraism. He theorizes that Constantine was not really a Christian. He took over Christianity because many of his troops were Christian, but he also needed to bring along his officer corps, who were Mithraists. So he mixed in a lot of Mithraic elements, and the rest is history.

Constantine did not worship Jesus - he worshipped himself as a version of Apollo, the sun god.

There is some fascinating footage of the Arch of Constantine, which contains no Christian symbols, but many pagan symbols, and was strategically located near a statue of Apollo.

I bring this up in part to note that one of the experts interviewed claims that there is an inscription

This quote is attributed to Mithras: "He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made one with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation."

so I will link to the archived thread on this particular topic from 2007:

Mithras "quote"

stephan huller · 09-11-2013, 06:34 PM

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mountainman · 09-11-2013, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

How Constantine Sold Christianity to the World

You can watch this 45 minute video for free if you enter an email address on the screen.

Simcha has discovered Mithraism. He theorizes that Constantine was not really a Christian. He took over Christianity because many of his troops were Christian ...

The evidence provided that any of the Roman soldiers were Christian was a series of inscribed "crosses" on stones found near the Scottish Border. I think some further evidence might be needed for this hypothesis.

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.... but he also needed to bring along his officer corps, who were Mithraists.

I don't buy the hypothesis that Constantine needed "to bring along" anyone.

For example, to whom did the troops undertake their sacraments?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramentum_(oath)

Quote:

Military oath

The sacramentum militare (also as militum or militiae) was the oath taken by soldiers in pledging their loyalty to the consul in the Republican era or later to the emperor. The sacramentum as pertaining to both the law and the military indicates the religious basis for these institutions.

The sacramentum that renders the soldier sacer helps explain why he was subjected to harsher penalties, such as execution and corporal punishment, that were considered inappropriate for civilian citizens, at least under the Republic.[8] In effect, he had put his life on deposit, a condition also of the fearsome sacramentum sworn by gladiators.[9] In the rare case of punishment by decimation, the surviving legionaries were often required to renew their oath, affirming the role of state religio as the foundation of Roman military discipline.

I see that mention was made of Constantine's column ...

Column of Constantine (shown above)

It could have been easily seen from the Sea of Marmara and the Bosphorus, and was completed at the dedication of "The City of Constantine", 11 May 330. It was constructed of nine drums of porphyry each 2.9 m in diameter, topped by a Corinth Capital. Its total height was more than thirty-six meters. The column was crowned with colossal bronze statue of Constantine, depicted wearing a crown of seven rays. (It may have been Pheidas' sculpture of Apollo Paropius from the Acropolis of Athens, recycled with bullneck's head. Some accounts describe Constantine holding a spear in the left hand, and a globe in the right hand.

Data from The Emperor Constantine (or via: amazon.co.uk) by Hans A. Pohlsander.

Historian John Julius Norwich writes that in the Column of Constantine,

“Apollo, Sol Invictus and Jesus Christ all seem subordinated
to a new supreme being—the Emperor Constantine.”

This theme is essentially developed (adding Mithra) in the video.

Roger Pearse · 09-12-2013, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

I bring this up in part to note that one of the experts interviewed claims that there is an inscription

This quote is attributed to Mithras: "He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made one with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation."

so I will link to the archived thread on this particular topic from 2007:

Mithras "quote"

Thank you.

mountainman · 09-12-2013, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

I bring this up in part to note that one of the experts interviewed claims that there is an inscription

This quote is attributed to Mithras: "He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made one with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation."

so I will link to the archived thread on this particular topic from 2007:

Mithras "quote"

According to this video (See 16:35) a faded Latin inscription is claimed to exist in the Mithraeum beneath the Santa Prisca Church, Rome.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WIKI

The Mithraeum under Santa Prisca was first excavated in 1952-59 through Dutch excavations. The original building was erected ca 95 and served as Trajan’s town house until his death. One hundred years later, a member of the imperial family took over the building and built a Mithraeum in one part of the basement while a Christian meeting place was established in the other part.

The original Mithrauem had a central aisle, a niche and side benches. Fine fresoces were found on the Mithraeum walls as well as a stucco Mithras the Bull Slayer, one of the main images of the Mithras cult. Renovations in 220 yielded a larger central cult room and the addition of new ones while the frescoes were covered with new, more elaborate paintings. [2]

These paintings were important to the development of understanding the Mithraic cult. Along with the typical bull slaying scene so common amongst the cult, other paintings depicted different cult rituals. For example, one painting shows a procession of figures wearing masks and different colored tunics holding what has been presumed to be a piece of liturgical equipment.[3] These paintings have been incorporated in the long standing debate about the admittance of women into the cult.

Around 400, the Christians took over the Mithraeum, destroyed it and built Santa Prisca on top of it.

The translation in the video is given as:

And thou hast saved us by shedding the eternal blood

This translation and the inscription itself may be confirmed in the article:
The Mithras Inscriptions of Santa Prisca and the New Testament
by Hans Dieter Betz, Novum Testamentum, Vol. 10, Fasc. 1 (Jan., 1968), pp. 62-80

The above represents LINE 14 of the inscription and is discussed at length at page 77.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Simcha Jacobovici's Constantine Conspiracy theory - Mithraism rules How Constantine Sold Christianity to the World You can watch this 45 minute video for free if you enter an email address on the screen. Simcha has discovered Mithraism. He theorizes that Constantine was not really a Christian. He took over Christianity because many of his troops were Christian, but he also needed to bring along his officer corps, who were Mithraists. So he mixed in a lot of Mithraic elements, and the rest is history. Constantine did not worship Jesus - he worshipped himself as a version of Apollo, the sun god. There is some fascinating footage of the Arch of Constantine, which contains no Christian symbols, but many pagan symbols, and was strategically located near a statue of Apollo. I bring this up in part to note that one of the experts interviewed claims that there is an inscription This quote is attributed to Mithras: "He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made one with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation." so I will link to the archived thread on this particular topic from 2007: Mithras "quote"

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