mountainman

That's all you had to say FFS.

Subversion of the Greek "daimon" [δαίμων] in the Gospels

So essentially you are claiming that there was certainly NOT a subversion of the Greek "daimon" [δαίμων] in the Gospels because it is already subverted in the LXX and in Josephus and never mind that the Christians preserved the LXX and Josephus.


Do we find any other sources in the time period using the term "daimon" [δαίμων] in the derogatory the way the NT and LXX and Josephus use it?

Or are the Christian authors and preservers coining their own derogatory meaning?

I did list other sources in the OP.

mountainman

This thread is about what the Roman's called "genius".

Nice to see you too Stephen.

mountainman

From WIKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_...cal_mythology)

mountainman

Here is a recent example where the translation of the word "daimon" to the Christianised meaning of "demon", albeit a revised translation, completely changes the meaning of the story.

Judas as "daimon" and the Deckonic suggestion



At post # 21 above I have listed ten samples of the Gnostic use of the word "daimon" and two from the Church Fathers which all agree that the word "daimon" refers to something more like a "guardian spirit" or the "heavenly twin".


Therefore is Deconick's translation of "daimon" to "demon" necessarily accurate here?



IMAGE used in the New York Times article.

Iskander

Demons are a Judaic invention. I don’t know anything about the Hebrew language and like you I would welcome explanations from a knowledgeable person.

Jewish commentators have, apparently, written the most sinister and stupid things about their ugly torah: demons were accidentally created by god when he/she/it stopped working to sanctify the Sabbath!

mountainman

I didn't know that.

But are you aware that I am differentiating between demon and the Greek daimon

The OP is about the Greek daimon, and its subversion to demon by the Early Christian authors and editors.







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mountainman

Thanks Shesh.

El Shaddai.

Interesting reading.

spin

I didn't know I had to wipe your mouth after you eat.

What a fucking silly idea. A "subversion" of δαίμων. Words get used in all sorts of ways that aren't they way they started out. People use the word "myth" in weird ways, "gay" in weird ways, and "cool" in weird ways. But "subversion"? Fucking silly. Language gets used to reflect how people want to use it. Calling something like the way the Judeo-christian traditions used δαίμων "subversion" is tantamount to calling any new language use "subversion".

Your choice of word expresses your polemical intent, just as "derogatory" does below.

spin

The Jews got the idea from the Persians and their daevas. The Zoroastrian religion provided Judaism with is dualism, which was passed on to christianity. The daevas were on the bad side with Ahriman, while the Ahuras were on the good side with Ormazd (Ahura Mazda). (And amusingly enough the Hindu side of the affair had the devas as the goodies and the asuras as the baddies!) Demons as comes out of diaspora Judaism are a facet of dualism and that falls on Zoroaster.

Iskander

Yes, but the Christian origins are Judaic, not Greek.

Jewish Christian writers imposed their understanding of god and educated Greeks on the voluntary enslavement of man as the only way to placate the Jewish idol.

In the religion of the Greeks man is almost the equal of the gods, but in the Judaic religion man is ‘less than a worm’, as the psalm says.

In the Hindu Gita a man tries to physically restrain a god to prevent him from doing something and in the battlefield of Troy Ajax defeats one god in battle. In Judaism man crawls asking to be spared the wrath of a remote god ...



http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2011/...ever-happened/