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I'm sure there must be some scholarly work on this topic, but I so far haven't been able to run down anything meaningful. |
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The Jews rejected Jesus as a Messianic ruler and had him crucified after he was claimed to be a Blasphemer in the very Gospels. Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius had already stated and it was known in the Roman Empire that Vespasian was the Prophesied Messianic ruler, Savior and Healer. The forger of Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.3 contradicted the story of Jesus in gMark. Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.3 is essentially a pack of lies or a pack of fction based on the the earliest story of Jesus in gMark. It was the Promised Holy Ghost that started the Jesus cult--Not Jesus. 1. in gMark Jesus deliberatedly spoke in parables so that the populace would NOT understand him and remain in sin. See Mark 4 2. On the day Jesus was Executed--Jesus was REJECTED by the Jews and Betrayed, Abandoned or Denied by his disciple. 3. All the disciples DID FORSAKE Jesus in gMark. Peter claimed he did NOT even know Jesus and was NOT with him--the others Fled--Judas betrayed Jesus. The visitors to the Empty Tomb FLED in fear from the burial site and told NO-ONE Jesus was resurreted. 4. Jesus could have done a "Billion" Miracles in the Gospels but he had to FIRST send the Promised Ghost to give the disciples Power. Jesus was POWERLESS to start the Christian cult. See Acts 2 Examine the forgery. It is clearly incompatible with gMark and was unknown for hundreds of years by apologetics. And in any event, the forgers' Jesus was a MYTH-a resurrected creature. [u]Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.3 Quote:
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I think the Ebionites were a real Christian sect. They weren't ethnic Jews. They were Gentiles that rejected the cocky Paulinist/Catholic sect and stuck to the old-time religion. They did not go back to a supposedly historic Jesus movement in Judea. |
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This is not to say that, at a time much earlier than 70, that certain people who later became Christians were somehow involved with Pharisaic Judaism. But that was long past when Euagellion Kata Markus was published. |
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I have my doubts about Jesus being anything but opposed to the Pharisees. Crossan and Reed place the Pharisees as crooks who were using Roman muscle to rape tithes, combined with the "woes of the Pharisees" also as a party divided a long Hellenistic lines. I guess a lot depends on how you define Jesus. Mine is as a Zealot opposed to oppression and taxation, with a hatred for Hellenism. Based on how bad Antipas made life for the peasant Jews where he grew up. |
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In fact, it is documented in the Canon that Jesus, the Logos and God the Creator claimed the Jews were of their Father the Devil. John 8 Quote:
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Interesting that the same writer suggesting Jews were of the devil also said that salvation was of the Jews......
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