yalla

The Letters of Jesus Christ And Abgar, King of Edessa


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz_pTD-FVnw

outhouse

So what.

He is only telling one side of of his biased history, and still mentions the man.



Wonderful, not the same man or story.


You have the crucifixion of a peasant confused with something that should be headlines. Instead of something that evolved slowly and snowballed.

outhouse

Because many stories in mythology have known historical cores.

Hell even Noah has a historical core with Ziusudras legend starting first, in my opinion.

outhouse

Would you like a tissue?


Because people from another culture, living in a geographic location, wrote theology and used mythology doing so, decades after the fact, does not negate a possible historical core.

This shows complete ignorance to the historical methods used by scholars.



Because a man died who was martyred at Passover, and we have a disturbance that fits the punishment.


Scholarly



Im a minimalist and place much less faith in what is written then most scholars.

Minimalist

But who decides which is real and which is b.s.? And what criteria is used?

outhouse

A lot of this comes down to what the mans socioeconomic status actually was.

If he was more wealthy one would have a possibility that he could read some, [maybe]

Had he been able to write, he probably wouldnt have caused such a stink in the temple knowing full well he was playing with death. One wouldnt just waist a scribe, like one would a peasant from a hovel.

We might have also had literature we could attribute to a Galilean had he been able to write.


I'll follow cultural anthropology of Galilee in that Nazareth was probably a hovel much smaller then Capernaum which was also recently found to be a poor village in the first century. It would be highly unlikely in such a pitiful dump he woul dbe a learned man, someone who was a son of a tekton, a displaced renter possibly thrown off his farm land and ended up in that dump which I view, as a work camp for the rebuilding of Sepphoris.

outhouse

example

We only guess at Ziusudra because he was on the kings list, and he was also in the flood mythology. Multiple attestation is one thing, but it wouldnt really prove historicity for a man named Ziusudra. BUT take a attested flood from 2900 BC exactly from the time the Euphrates flooded and wiped out villages along its banks, gives the mythical flood historicity, and definately gives more probablility that a man went down the flooded river on a barge and was thankful after seeing so much devistation.

Does it mean it was a fact? no it doesnt, the flood however is a fact. Probable? possibly. Tied to Noahs mythology? not only is it probable I dont think a unbiased scholar would argue it.

mountainman

Tenured Christian theologians and scholars of the bullshit bible.


Criteria of Embarrassment, Criteria of Dissimilarity, etc







εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

aa5874

I just checked "Wars of the Jews" 2.14.4-5 and there are references to synagogues in the 1st century.

Wars of the Jews 2.14.4 'Wars of the Jews 2.14 5.

andrewcriddle

pre-medieval insertion. It was probably inserted into a manuscript of John in the 3rd century CE and was certainly part of Jerome's Latin Vulgate c 400 CE.

It is certainly not an original part of John but this does not necessarily mean it has no historical basis.

Andrew Criddle