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Old 07-31-2013, 07:11 AM   #11
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I believe Casey argues that Latinisms in Mark prove that it came from an Aramaic source.

See his Jesus of Nazareth, page 341, where Casey argues that speakers of Aramaic sometimes had to use Latinisms, and so the prescence of Latinisms in Mark shows there must have been Latinisms in Mark's Aramaic source.

Casey has never seen this Aramaic source that Mark used, but he can translate it better than anybody who ever lived, better than people who actually had it in their hands and saw it.
You know who else had to use Latinisms? Latin speakers.
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About Jesus: Evidence and Argument or Mythicist Myths?
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Did Jesus exist? In recent years there has been a massive upsurge in public discussion of the view that Jesus did not exist. This view first found a voice in the 19th century, when Christian views were no longer taken for granted.
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I found blogger Maurice Casey's original venture into the slaying of mythicists quite a hoot: It can be found at http://rjosephhoffmann.wordpress.com...maurice-casey/
Maurice is a crank. As far as I can tell, his groundbreaking work on reconstructing the Aramaic originals of Greek works is just ignored by professionals working in that field.


They lack Casey's psychic powers of translating manuscripts he has never seen.

These psychically powered historicists demonstrate time and time again that they are hopelessly inept historians.

The undeniable historical fact of the matter, passed over in their tenured diatribes against mythicists, is that national and state [Draconian] Blasphemy Laws violently suppressed the freedom of speech (and thus of course the written word) from the 4th century until the 19th century.

Christian views were no longer taken for granted because they were no longer protected by Blasphemy laws which supported fascist action against dissenting views.


The first political voice that expressed the view that Jesus did not exist could only have been raised when Christianity became political, that is, after Nicaea. And since Nicaea - until the 19th century - the evidence clearly demonstrates that such political dissent may have been silenced by torture, execution, exile and memoriae damnatio (imperial, church and legal censorship).

I would like to see "Blogger Godfrey" and "Blogger Carr" take this issue up against this claim made by the likes of "Professional Historicist Casey" and "Professional Historicist Ehrman". People need to be educated to the real political history of the Mythicists' views and despite the historicists mantra of a 19th century appearance, this cannot be achieved without examining the history of "Blasphemy Laws" between the 4th and the 19th century.

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before the printing press

533 Justinian blames blasphemy and homosexuality for earthquakes (Byzantine penal code identifies castration as suitable punishment)

1343 Norwegian nun burnt for blasphemy

1537 establishment of Esecutori contro la Bestemmia (Council Against Blasphemy) in Venice

section marker the Reformation

1546 French printer Etienne Dolet burnt at stake for blasphemy and sedition

1553 anti-trinitarian Michael Servetus burnt at stake as blasphemer

1600 Giordano Bruno burnt at stake for blasphemy

1646 Massachusetts establishes death penalty for blasphemy

section marker public order in early modern Europe

1650 Blasphemy Act in England

1650 Quaker George Fox arrested for blasphemy

1656 James Nayler arrested for "horrid blasphemy" after entering Bristol in imitation of Christ's entry into Jerusalem

1670 Spinoza's Theologico-Political Treatise

1676 UK radical Lodowick Muggleton fined £500 and imprisoned for blasphemy

1681 trial of William King in Salem for blasphemy

1689 John Locke's Letter Concerning Religious Toleration

1694 imprisonment of Ericus Walten in The Hague

1697 Blasphemy Act in England

1697 Edinburgh student Thomas Aitkenhead hanged after denying god and claiming theology was "a rhapsody of feigned and ill invented nonsense"

1697 John Toland's Christianity not mysterious burned by public hangman

1701 Thomasius' De Crimine Magiae

1703 Dublin Unitarian clergyman convicted of blasphemy for questioning the Trinity, sentenced to one year's imprisonment and fined £1,000

1725 trial of Rev Thomas Woolston in UK for questioning the Resurrection and the Virgin Birth in A Moderator between an Infidel and an Apostate

1729 Woolston imprisoned for four years for Discourses on the Miracles of our Saviour

1745 Profane Oaths Act in UK prohibits profane cursing and swearing

1750 trial of UK Baptist Richard Phillips

1753 Peter Annet imprisoned for year for blasphemous libel


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Did Jesus exist? In recent years there has been a massive upsurge in public discussion of the view that Jesus did not exist. This view first found a voice in the 19th century, when Christian views were no longer taken for granted.


FFS when are people going to wake up to the history of political reality?


The history of mythicism and the history of blasphemy are directly related to one another.





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See the separate discussion mythicism and blasphemy laws




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