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Toto · 07-20-2013, 02:08 PM

"Naked Archaeologist" Sues Joe Zias in Israeli Court

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Zias doesn’t just accuse Jacobovici of bad science. He has accused him of pimping off the Bible, trying to deceive the public, calculated deception, and propagating multi-million dollar schemes.

Zias is particularly critical of Jacobovici’s documentary called, “The Lost Tomb of Jesus.”

In it, Jacobovici investigates the site where he believes Jesus and his family was buried. There was much buzz surrounding the film. Its executive producer was none other than James Cameron, of Titanic and Avatar fame. The film was slated to air on the National Geographic channel. But experts invited to examine the film’s claims were not convinced, and the channel dropped it.

The trial is expected to last for a year.

DCHindley · 07-22-2013, 04:58 AM

"Biblical" archeologists are all tied up in knots, it seems to me, trying to force-fit the relevance of relics to conform with their preconceived notions.

Jacobovici does appear to be sensationalizing these relics, but unless these items represent a tourist attraction from the era after Constantine, the odds against it being a coincidence that so many names on the ossuaries are associated with the family of Jesus in the NT and early Christian literature are astronomical. Yet this is downplayed as because "these are common names."

So were the names Jacob and Jeshua on the ossuary that some claimed was that of James the Just, but that did not stop some from proclaiming that such a combination of names (connected by the word "brother") meant that we indeed have James the Just's ossuary.

Yet the "Jesus family" tomb was found "in situ" (meaning found "in place"), where the Jacob brother of Jeshua ossuary was bought from a collector who cannot get his story straight as to who he got it from or where they claimed it came from, makes the odds for the former ossuaries being related to Jesus' actual family many times higher than that of the genuineness of the latter.

DCH
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Originally Posted by Toto

"Naked Archaeologist" Sues Joe Zias in Israeli Court

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Zias doesn’t just accuse Jacobovici of bad science. He has accused him of pimping off the Bible, trying to deceive the public, calculated deception, and propagating multi-million dollar schemes.

Zias is particularly critical of Jacobovici’s documentary called, “The Lost Tomb of Jesus.”

In it, Jacobovici investigates the site where he believes Jesus and his family was buried. There was much buzz surrounding the film. Its executive producer was none other than James Cameron, of Titanic and Avatar fame. The film was slated to air on the National Geographic channel. But experts invited to examine the film’s claims were not convinced, and the channel dropped it.

The trial is expected to last for a year.

stephan huller · 07-22-2013, 09:52 AM

I wasn't aware that the documentary never aired.

Toto · 07-22-2013, 09:56 AM

NatGeo declined to air it because of academic criticism, but the Discovery Channel seems to have aired it

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The Lost Tomb of Jesus is a documentary co-produced and first broadcast on the Discovery Channel and Vision TV in Canada on March 4, 2007, covering the discovery of the Talpiot Tomb.

TedM · 07-22-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DCHindley

Jacobovici does appear to be sensationalizing these relics, but unless these items represent a tourist attraction from the era after Constantine, the odds against it being a coincidence that so many names on the ossuaries are associated with the family of Jesus in the NT and early Christian literature are astronomical. Yet this is downplayed as because "these are common names."

From what I could determine the statisticians had varying opinions regarding the assumptions used to determine likelihood, and as a consequence had varying opinions regarding authenticity: Change in one or two assumptions (say regarding the form of the name Joses or Miriam) makes a HUGE difference in the calculated odds. At least with Jacobovici, because he filmed the work and seems to have an 'open-door' policy, we know where the tomb is and what was found inside, even if the interpretations vary.

outhouse · 07-22-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

NatGeo declined to air it because of academic criticism, but the Discovery Channel seems to have aired it

The_Lost_Tomb_of_Jesus

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The Lost Tomb of Jesus is a documentary co-produced and first broadcast on the Discovery Channel and Vision TV in Canada on March 4, 2007, covering the discovery of the Talpiot Tomb.

I viewed it when it was on. It was obvioius they were throwing it to the wall seeing if it would stick or slide down. It slid down.

They aired the second one last year where they went in with Cameras, I know you remember that debacle as well.

These guys will do anything to sell air time, as it will build value to the artifacts forged or not

Minimalist · 07-24-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

NatGeo declined to air it because of academic criticism, but the Discovery Channel seems to have aired it

The_Lost_Tomb_of_Jesus

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The Lost Tomb of Jesus is a documentary co-produced and first broadcast on the Discovery Channel and Vision TV in Canada on March 4, 2007, covering the discovery of the Talpiot Tomb.

With some of the crap Nat Geo puts on the LTofJ had to be very bad indeed. And it was. Jacobovici is a half-step above Ron Wyatt, at best. "Archaeoporn" as Jonathan Reed referred to his stuff.

Zias is right.

Brendan Rizzo · 07-25-2013, 05:52 AM

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In it, Jacobovici investigates the site where he believes Jesus and his family was buried. There was much buzz surrounding the film. Its executive producer was none other than James Cameron, of Titanic and Avatar fame.

And there's the problem.

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