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Old 05-12-2013, 08:04 PM   #11
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maybe they had been kicked out of Egypt and the biblcal story is a spin.
More likely the story is pure bullshit.
Not really.

Memories of tribes going in and out of Egypt trans Jordan Style, or a small group settled in Israel's highlands early on that had escaped a Egyptian slave camp.

Either would or could start oral tradition around campfires that could lead to a culture trying to build a grand identity
I think the Pied Piper of Hameln was one of them too, and so was Billy, of course.

And do you really think they had barbeque's then with stories to tell?
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:05 PM   #12
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More likely the story is pure bullshit.
Yes.

Literally.

Bullshit.

Canaanite bullshit.

Numbers 23:22
El who freed them from Egypt has horns of a wild ox.

Numbers 24:8
El who freed them from Egypt has the strength of a young bull.

Exodus 32:4
He accepted the gold from them, fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molten young bull. Then they said, “This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.”

Genesis 33:20
Jacob built an altar and proclaimed “El is the god of Israel.”

Baal Epic (Yam-Nahar’s messengers speaking)
At the feet of El do not fall,
Do not prostrate Yourselves before the Convocation of the Assembly,
But declare Your information!
And say to The Bull, My father, El,
Declare to the Convocation of the Assembly:
'The message of Yam, Your Lord,
Of Your master Judge River:
Give up, O Gods, Him whom You harbor,
Him whom the multitude harbor!
Give up Baal and His partisans,
Dagon's Son, so that I may inherit His gold!'"

And The Bull, His father, El, replies:
"Baal is Thy slave, O Yam!
Baal is Thy slave O Yam!
Dagon's Son is Thy captive!
He will bring Thy tribute like the Gods.
Like the Deities, Thy gift!"
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maybe they had been kicked out of Egypt and the biblcal story is a spin.
More likely the story is pure bullshit.
Not really.

Memories of tribes going in and out of Egypt trans Jordan Style, or a small group settled in Israel's highlands early on that had escaped a Egyptian slave camp.

Either would or could start oral tradition around campfires that could lead to a culture trying to build a grand identity

I'm not buying it. That looks like a face-saving device for scholars who can't sustain the bible stories any longer.
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The tale begins to reduce to naught more than a whiff of smoke from an old campfire.
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The tale begins to reduce to naught more than a whiff of smoke from an old campfire.
I was also thinking about the campfire scenario - great minds think alike.

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Campfire Stories (1991) is a horror film written and directed by William Cooke and Paul Talbot. The film is an anthology about a group of teenagers telling ghost stories around a campfire.
might be representative. There is also a scene in Apocalypto the night before the Mayans invade the village.

I'm not sure about the sociological understanding of campfire stories, but I don't think they rise to anything other than bullshit. It would have been cool if the witch doctors recited the first fifty digits of pi or something but we don't see that in the real world.
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The tale begins to reduce to naught more than a whiff of smoke from an old campfire.
More like burning sulpher that will not go away, and will be there forever and ever until the grave do us part.
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I found the original post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus numbers at 2 million or more given in the bible that’s not including livestock.
3 million walking 10 abreast with 6 ft between rows would extend for around 340 miles (3,000,000 / 10 * 6 = 1,800,000 ft. = 340 mi)
That’s 340 miles. To give a idea of distance that’s from Bunker Hill WV to 40 miles outside Columbus OH! That takes 6.5 hours to drive at 65 miles an hour. I know I drive it to visit my son there who is attending the university.
That’s ten abreast people. Better yet it is only 345 miles from Cairo to Jerusalem!
So being the civil war buff that I am I took some applied knowledge from southern troop movements considering they were less fed and equipped than union soldiers.
The Confederate authorities carefully outlined the expected rations in the army regulations issued in 1861. Each soldier was to receive per day .75 lbs. of pork or bacon or 1.25 lbs. of fresh or salt beef, and 18 oz. of bread or flour or 12 oz. of hard bread or 1.25 lbs. of corn meal. In addition, for each 100 rations, there was to be issued: 8 quarts of peas or beans, or in lieu thereof, 10 lbs. of rice; 6 lbs. of coffee; 12 lbs. of sugar; 4 quarts of vinegar; 1.5 lbs. of tallow candles; 4 lbs. of soap; and 2 quarts of salt. On marches, the bread ration was to be 1 lb. of hard bread.
However, the army began to have difficulty in supplying this ration almost immediately. Vegetables were very scarce during the winter of 1861-62, and in April 1862 the meat ration was reduced to a pound of beef or a half pound of bacon or pork, with some reductions also in the ration of flour and meal. During the retreat up the Peninsula, rations were limited to flour, meal and salt meat, and frequently troops received only parched corn, with four ears of corn per man as the standard issue

So taking into this that quail as the meat source and manna as the bread source I think most would find this acceptable “replacement”. So a one pound quail will give approximately .50 to .75 lbs of meat source that means every day they would have killed 3 million quail and 3 million pounds of bread per day just to keep the people moving. That comes out to being about half a pound of excrement a day per person. Never mind that quail could not keep that population suggested and that bread does not fall from heaven (if that is what manna is) that’s one and a half million pounds of poop a day just from the people.
I would also like to point out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acme_Bread_Company that it takes this bakery one week to produce 60,000 loafs.
Now lets look at 3 million birds per day and bread form the sky. What do birds do when you scatter bread? So the Hebrews would have been competing for the manna with not only the 3 million quail they would be killing that day but the 900,0000,000 birds needed in order to maintain this consumption for just one month. Since they only breed and can lay 300 eggs per year. It takes 17-18 days of incubation or 15 days to hatch depending on temperature. In any case 900,000,000 is a lot of birds doing what birds do best, eat and poop. So allot of that bread will not be usable because of loss to birds and just plain poop contamination. In any case that’s allot of poop. Keep in mind we are not talking the beast of burden included just the humanity and the birds god sent for them to eat. Also I would like you to consider this
An average six-ounce skinless quail contains about 123 calories, 40 percent of the recommended daily allowance (RDA) of protein, 50 percent niacin, 30 percent vitamin B6, and 28 percent of iron. The same bird has only 1.2 grams of saturated fat, 1.2 grams monounsaturated fat, 1.1 grams polyunsaturated fat, and 64 grams of cholesterol. Not allot to go on per day. By the bible god was starving his people and they were knee deep in excrement. Great for today’s fat conscience not so go for starving people who need the fat a nutritional source.
Just a thought how would you like to be the last 10 people in line? Think about it traveling 6 miles per day. 10 abreast for 40 years. 1.5 million pounds of human feces per day. That’s 547,500,000 pounds of poop a year. For a grand total of 21,900,000,000 pounds of human excrement in 40 years if there population stayed at its constant of 3 million. That’s twenty one BILLION pounds of poop stretched from Egypt to the lands of Canaan. Anyone want to think about the flies?
Now what would this of done to the watersheds of the Nile? The fecal chloroform and nitrates from this much waste would have spoiled all the water in the area basically killing any in the back of the pack. Keep in mind we are not talking today’s world but the ability to get water from open running sources only or already dug wells. Water was even more precious in those days and is a pretty hard commodity even today in third world countries. Imagine a horde of people stretching as far as you can see that would take approximately 58 days to pass you by from beginning to end. All of them wanting your villages water source. No wonder they were not received well. Very quickly the water source would have been vile and polluted. One need only study Andersonville prison to see what the conditions would be like for the 58 days it took to “pass” you by.
I think this alone brings all of Exodus to a “never happened” and a mere myth. Look at a map and imagine an army column stretched from Columbus Ohio to Morgantown WV. The logistics and the mere amount of waste if we ignore the whole magic of food appearing in itself shows the mind boggling (excuse the expression) crap that the bible expects us to swallow and many inerrant believers expect us to swallow as truth.
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Bravo! Great information.
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Of course, all the problems go away when one can play the 'magic' card.
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Bravo! Great information.
The solution and short answer here is that manna was bread from heaven via Moses that wilted away each day as second hand to them and thus not from heaven first hand.

The yellow streak across the desert runs from 4 to 9 on our clock and does not go past 5-6-7 and 8 to arrive at the number 9.

In this, the number 4 is a vulnerable stage (still an evil number in China today), where Moses was active to lead the children astray.

In this sequence of events number 5 shows the number 2 gone tipsy turvy as if fully exhausted in the pleasures of life that brings the [naked] animal man to the fore during the great advent of life where the jump-shift from involution of evolution is made, and so is where the second go around of life begins with the number 6 = reborn, someone may call this today, while Plato called is a re-emergence from the pathenocarpic seed already in us.

The first number there is the 7 wherein we carry the child high above so we will come full circle in both minds in the number 8, as opposite the number 3 wherein are divided in both minds and chose power, wealth, and beauty to be our lesser gods in the number 4, that indeed, yes, led us astray that eventually brings the number 5 about in our life (if the prowling two-by-two's do not snatch us away before we get there on our own, and hence the fear in China resounds as national taboo there in [ex] Communist China even, of all places for that to be!).

So then we have Lente before 9 were crucifixion takes place and arrive at the number 10 with no ego left and will walk side by side as God and Lord God in 11 and walk into the grave in the number 12, where so both heaven and earth come to and end in our own second death.

I like the 'walk into the grave' here as a N. American Indian expression that is so' bang on' to say that without an ego pleasure and pain will be no more in the eternal state of bliss that we see and we seek.
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