Originally Posted by Jaybees

Shocking! Where in the world did you ever get that notion? We have nothing but the greatest respect for superstition.

Originally Posted by Duvduv

Making your categorical statements is not evidence that they are true. Nor are your grasping at straws to draw a distinction between the empirically proven historicity of Marcion versus the historicity of Moses or Bilaam.
The fact is that there is no corroborative empirical evidence for Marcion and his people and texts than there is for Moses or for Bilaam. Nor is there empirical evidence to show that the Flood of Noah did not happen. All views on such matters on both sides of the debate are rooted in FAITH.

Originally Posted by steve_bnk

The OP stems from duvduv's assertion on another thread that Noah may have predated and inspired Gilgamesh.

The links would seem to indicate the earliest records of Gilgamesh tales predate the earliest estimated dates of the Noah story being put to paper.

Originally Posted by steve_bnk

'...Nor is there empirical evidence to show that the Flood of Noah did not happen...'

A new twist in logic. The lack of evidence that a flood occurred is not evidence that the flood indeed did not occur.

There is no proof leprechauns exist, but the lack of evidence is not evidence they do not exist? Of course, leprechauns might exist or may have existed. But that is all sophistry. Despite the existence of the lore of leprechauns, no one really believes they exist or have existed.


And as you say there is no proof hence you have a faith with no evidence?

Originally Posted by outhouse

Ziusudra is the oldest and it is Sumerian, found in Cuneiform.

It predates Gilgamesh by a very long time.



YEC :constern02:

Originally Posted by steve_bnk

This is a bit of a derail, however.

I'd like to avoid the word mockery, but as I sad religion is on trial on the religion forums. Anything you put forth is subject to criticism.

I am trying to be civil with you here in the interest of hearing what you have to say.

But invariably theists who attack us skeptics without really offering in the end little but religious faith itself end up getting mocked as superstitious and without evidence. And then they leave often in a fit of anger.

You post on a thread about Noah, yet getting you to say what your belif entails is like puling teeth. If you think we are in error, tell us why you may be right.

I can respect religion on a personal level. However IMO all three Abrahamics Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are equally superstitious cults anachronistic in terms of modern knowledge.

What did you expect by being here?

We tend to view all organized religion today as a negatve.

Muslim sectarian violence

Muslims vs Jews

Virulent anti gay Christians

Christian politicians making absurd biblical claims as to modern politics and our modern issues.

Christians claiming the Japanese tsunami and our recent heavy weather in the Midwest are god's retribution.

Jews claiming based on a disjointed ancient collection of writings to be the chosen people of an all powerful deity with a belief in historical supernatural manifestations that can never be proven.

I think we are all a bit sick and tired of all organized religion.

We can continue this on the Abrahamics fiorum.