Duvduv

Everyone has certainly heard of the famous Bishop Cardinal Emile Lustiger of Paris, who converted to Catholicism after the War after being cared for in a convent in Poland. The exact circumstances of his situation are never clear as far as I know.

Iskander

No one can steal a religion, Judaism remains a religion. Jews that became Christians were no longer servants of Judaism and ceased to be identified as Jewish.

There was religious discrimination, but Christian Jews became Christian people like any other.
Were my ancestors Jewish? It is impossible to know since for generations my ancestors have identified themselves as belonging to a Christian society
Ethnically Jewish is such an unpleasant silly thing to say!

aa5874

Christianity is a rejection of Judaism and was developed by manipulation of Hebrew Scripture. In Christianity Jesus Christ ABOLISHED Judaism. The Law was a Curse.

Are you familiar with the Pauline Corpus?

1. Romans 10:4 KJV2. Romans 3:20 KJV3. Galatians 2:16 KJV4. Galatians 3:13 KJV5. Galatians 5:4 KJV6. Galatians 5:2 KJV Are you familiar with "The Preparation of the Gospel" attributed to Eusebius?

The Jews did not practice the Blasphemy and the Law-Breaking religion CALLED Christianity.

Eusebius' Preparation of the Gospel 1 Christianity was Not known as a Jewish religion.

The practice of worshiping a Man as a God is UNKNOWN in Judaism.

In the very Canon, if you are familiar with the Gospels, Jesus was considered a BLASPHEMER and found to be guilty of Death by the Sanhedrin.

John 10:33 KJV Mark 14. KJV Christianity was Not a Jewish religion once you are familiar with the writings of antiquity.

The practices and teachings of Christianity are Blasphemy and contrary to the Laws of the Jews.

Davka

No, all of that is according to you - or, to be more precise, according to your straw man.

According to me, "the Jews" have never been a monolithic group. Not only was there infighting between the various sects vying for power in Jerusalem, but there were tensions between the Jewish laity from the countryside and the "professional" Jews in Jerusalem.

Taking a phrase which criticizes the Pharisees in Jerusalem and claiming (with zero evidence or support) that it "certainly" was not written by Jews is pointless, spurious, and indicative of nothing more than your personal opinion.

Davka

This request is completely unrelated to your unsubstantiated claim regarding Christianity. You don't have the foggiest clue about Jewishness or early Christianity, but you yammer confidently nonetheless.

Davka

For much of the past ~2,000 years, this holds true. However, both at the inception of Christianity and for the past ~200 years, there have been numerous Jewish believers in Jesus as Messiah.

A few years ago, I had the privilege of editing the English translation of the book Joseph Rabinowitz and the Messianic Movement: The Herzl of Jewish Christianity by Kai Kjaer-Hansen. It is a fascinating account of a Russian Jew who, during a trip to the Holy Land, became convinced that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah and returned to found a congregation of Jewish Believers in Jesus in the city of Kishinev.

Another interesting resource is the book Nazarene Jewish Christianity (or via: amazon.co.uk) by Dr. Ray Pritz, which examines the oldest known sect of Jewish believers in Jesus as Messiah, a group called the Nazarenes, who lived in Judea until the 4th century CE. This very Jewish sect of Jesus-believers persisted alongside both Gentile Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism for over 300 years.

It has never been mainstream, but there is a long tradition of Jews who have accepted the core teaching of Christianity (Jesus is Messiah, sacrificed for the sins of the world) without giving up their Jewishness or adherence to Jewish Law. For the most part, these Jews have been despised by Rabbinic Jews and Mainstream Christians alike.

Davka

According to you.

According to you.

Utter ignorant nonsense.

aa5874

You have exposed that you do not understand the Pauline Corpus.

1. Romans 10:4 KJV2. Galatians 5:2 KJVYou have exposed that you do not understand the Canon of the Christians.

Hebrews 10 KJV Christianity is a most blasphemous anti-Jewish religion and was started by NON-JEWS based on the abundance of evidence from antiquity where a man is worshiped as a God and a Sacrifice for REMISSION of sins. What utter blasphemy!!

Mark 2:7 KJV

Adam

The gospel attacks on the Pharisees could be an internal dispute. That Christianity originated with Pharisees is argued by Zimmerman:
James D. G. Dunn, Faith and the Historical Jesus, p. 166.

Grog

I think what you are getting at is that there must have been a preacher named Jesus who set them all on fire.

I'm curious, what are the main 1 or 2 reasons that the Church of Latter Day Saints took hold amongst 19th century NW New Yorkers? My guess is the reasons are fairly similar.