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As "he" points back to Christ, you can see that "lord" here is not in lieu of a name. We have the equivalent of "Christ might be Lord...." Besides "lord.. of" also clarifies the use as titular.

This is dealing with the Hebrew bible day of the lord.


As I said in the o.p.,

However, Jesus is the representative of god, so that someone who obeys Jesus obeys god as well. Someone who is a freedman to Jesus is a freedman to god. To have faith in Jesus is to have faith in god as well. This only follows from the relationship between god and Jesus. One can see "the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ".

We've seen with "the lord said to my lord", proximity is not an issue. My lord is not the lord.

In Hesiod's Theogony 74, Zeus "distributed fairly to the immortals their portions and declared their privileges." This word "distributed" is the same as what "directed" translates (διεταξεν). Liddell & Scott give the meaning as "appoint or ordain severally, dispose".

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The phrase "the lord said to my lord" is not found in the Pauline Corpus so it is actually irrelevant to Galatians 1.19.

The phrase "the lord said to my lord" is found in the Septuagint specifically in Psalms 110.

Psalm 110:1 KJV It is not logical at all that the Lord in Psalms 110 is related to the Lord's brother in Galatians 1.19 especially when it is stated in Galatians that Jesus Christ is the Lord.

mountainman

This looks to be a process of analysis and categorisation. I don't know what your point is at the moment but I will play along. I have a few questions:

1) What English bible translation are you using?
2) Won't you need to use some Greek version (TR?) in the end?

According to my count and using the NIV there are 235 instances of the word "lord" in the Pauline (and Pseudo-Pauline) letters as follows:


Rom 1:4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 1:7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them."
Rom 4:24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.
Rom 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:11 Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
Rom 5:21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Rom 8:39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Rom 9:28 For the Lord will carry out his sentence on earth with speed and finality."
Rom 9:29 It is just as Isaiah said previously: "Unless the Lord Almighty had left us descendants, we would have become like Sodom, we would have been like Gomorrah."
Rom 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
Rom 10:13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Rom 10:16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?"
Rom 11:3 "Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me"?
Rom 11:34 "Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?"
Rom 12:11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord.
Rom 12:19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.
Rom 13:14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
Rom 14:6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
Rom 14:8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
Rom 14:9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Rom 14:11 It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.' "
Rom 14:14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.
Rom 15:6 so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 15:11 And again, "Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles; let all the peoples extol him."
Rom 15:30 I urge you, brothers and sisters, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me.
Rom 16:2 I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me.
Rom 16:8 Greet Ampliatus, my dear friend in the Lord.
Rom 16:11 Greet Herodion, my fellow Jew. Greet those in the household of Narcissus who are in the Lord.
Rom 16:12 Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa, those women who work hard in the Lord. Greet my dear friend Persis, another woman who has worked very hard in the Lord.
Rom 16:13 Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.
Rom 16:18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.
Rom 16:20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.
Rom 16:22 I, Tertius, who wrote down this letter, greet you in the Lord.
1Cr 1:2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ--their Lord and ours:
1Cr 1:3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Cr 1:7 Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed.
1Cr 1:8 He will also keep you firm to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Cr 1:9 God is faithful, who has called you into fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
1Cr 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.
1Cr 1:31 Therefore, as it is written: "Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord."
1Cr 2:8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Cr 2:16 for, "Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
1Cr 3:5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe--as the Lord has assigned to each his task.
1Cr 3:20 and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."
1Cr 4:4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
1Cr 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.
1Cr 4:17 For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
1Cr 4:19 But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have.
1Cr 5:3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this.
1Cr 5:4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present,
1Cr 5:5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
1Cr 6:11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
1Cr 6:13 You say, "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both." The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
1Cr 6:14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also.
1Cr 6:17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
1Cr 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.
1Cr 7:12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.
1Cr 7:17 Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches.
1Cr 7:22 For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord's freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ's slave.
1Cr 7:25 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy.
1Cr 7:32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs--how he can please the Lord.
1Cr 7:34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world--how she can please her husband.
1Cr 7:35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
1Cr 7:39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.
1Cr 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
1Cr 9:1 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord?
1Cr 9:2 Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you! For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
1Cr 9:14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.
1Cr 10:21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons.
1Cr 11:11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman.
1Cr 11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread,
1Cr 11:27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
1Cr 11:32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
1Cr 12:3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
1Cr 12:5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.
1Cr 14:21 In the Law it is written: "With other tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord."
1Cr 15:31 I face death every day--yes, just as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1Cr 15:57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Cr 15:58 Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
1Cr 16:7 For I do not want to see you now and make only a passing visit; I hope to spend some time with you, if the Lord permits.
1Cr 16:10 When Timothy comes, see to it that he has nothing to fear while he is with you, for he is carrying on the work of the Lord, just as I am.
1Cr 16:19 The churches in the province of Asia send you greetings. Aquila and Priscilla greet you warmly in the Lord, and so does the church that meets at their house.
1Cr 16:22 If anyone does not love the Lord, let that person be cursed! Come, Lord!
1Cr 16:23 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you.
2Cr 1:2 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Cr 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,
2Cr 1:14 as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.
2Cr 1:24 Not that we lord it over your faith, but we work with you for your joy, because it is by faith you stand firm.
2Cr 2:12 Now when I went to Troas to preach the gospel of Christ and found that the Lord had opened a door for me,
2Cr 3:16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
2Cr 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
2Cr 3:18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
2Cr 4:5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake.
2Cr 4:14 because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself.
2Cr 5:6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.
2Cr 5:8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
2Cr 5:11 Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade others. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience.
2Cr 6:17 Therefore, "Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."
2Cr 6:18 And, "I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."
2Cr 8:5 And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us.
2Cr 8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.
2Cr 8:19 What is more, he was chosen by the churches to accompany us as we carry the offering, which we administer in order to honor the Lord himself and to show our eagerness to help.
2Cr 8:21 For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of man.
2Cr 10:8 So even if I boast somewhat freely about the authority the Lord gave us for building you up rather than tearing you down, I will not be ashamed of it.
2Cr 10:17 But, "Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord."
2Cr 10:18 For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.
2Cr 11:17 In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool.
2Cr 11:31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying.
2Cr 12:1 I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord.
2Cr 12:8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me.
2Cr 13:10 This is why I write these things when I am absent, that when I come I may not have to be harsh in my use of authority--the authority the Lord gave me for building you up, not for tearing you down.
2Cr 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Gal 1:3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ,
Gal 5:10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty.
Gal 6:14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
Gal 6:18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers and sisters. Amen.
Eph 1:2 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.
Eph 1:15 For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all God's people,
Eph 1:17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.
Eph 2:21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.
Eph 3:11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Eph 4:1 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received.
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
Eph 4:17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking.
Eph 5:8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light
Eph 5:10 and find out what pleases the Lord.
Eph 5:19 speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord,
Eph 5:20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.
Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
Eph 6:4 Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.
Eph 6:7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people,
Eph 6:8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.
Eph 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power.
Eph 6:21 Tychicus, the dear brother and faithful servant in the Lord, will tell you everything, so that you also may know how I am and what I am doing.
Eph 6:23 Peace to the brothers and sisters, and love with faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 6:24 Grace to all who love our Lord Jesus Christ with an undying love.
Phl 1:2 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Phl 1:14 And because of my chains, most of the brothers and sisters have become confident in the Lord and dare all the more to proclaim the gospel without fear.
Phl 2:11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phl 2:19 I hope in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy to you soon, that I also may be cheered when I receive news about you.
Phl 2:24 And I am confident in the Lord that I myself will come soon.
Phl 2:29 So then, welcome him in the Lord with great joy, and honor people like him,
Phl 3:1 Further, my brothers and sisters, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you.
Phl 3:8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ
Phl 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Phl 4:1 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, you whom I love and long for, my joy and crown, stand firm in the Lord in this way, dear friends!
Phl 4:2 I plead with Euodia and I plead with Syntyche to be of the same mind in the Lord.
Phl 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!
Phl 4:5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near.
Phl 4:10 I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it.
Phl 4:23 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
Col 1:10 so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God,
Col 2:6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him,
Col 3:13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
Col 3:17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
Col 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
Col 3:20 Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.
Col 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.
Col 3:23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters,
Col 3:24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.
Col 4:7 Tychicus will tell you all the news about me. He is a dear brother, a faithful minister and fellow servant in the Lord.
Col 4:17 Tell Archippus: "See to it that you complete the ministry you have received in the Lord."

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I gather you plan to treat these according to "usage categories" and then see what is left over?









εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

mountainman

The balance of instances truncated from the above list:


1Th 1:1 Paul, Silas and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace and peace to you.
1Th 1:3 We remember before our God and Father your work produced by faith, your labor prompted by love, and your endurance inspired by hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 1:6 You became imitators of us and of the Lord, for you welcomed the message in the midst of severe suffering with the joy given by the Holy Spirit.
1Th 2:15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone
1Th 2:19 For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you?
1Th 3:8 For now we really live, since you are standing firm in the Lord.
1Th 3:11 Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus clear the way for us to come to you.
1Th 3:12 May the Lord make your love increase and overflow for each other and for everyone else, just as ours does for you.
1Th 3:13 May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.
1Th 4:1 As for other matters, brothers and sisters, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more.
1Th 4:2 For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus.
1Th 4:6 and that in this matter no one should wrong or take advantage of a brother or sister. The Lord will punish all those who commit such sins, as we told you and warned you before.
1Th 4:15 According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
1Th 5:2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
1Th 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:12 Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, to acknowledge those who work hard among you, who care for you in the Lord and who admonish you.
1Th 5:23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:27 I charge you before the Lord to have this letter read to all the brothers and sisters.
1Th 5:28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
2Th 1:1 Paul, Silas and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:2 Grace and peace to you from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.
2Th 1:8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
2Th 1:9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might
2Th 1:12 We pray this so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2Th 2:2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us--whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter--asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
2Th 2:13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
2Th 2:14 He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 2:16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope,
2Th 3:1 As for other matters, brothers and sisters, pray for us that the message of the Lord may spread rapidly and be honored, just as it was with you.
2Th 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen you and protect you from the evil one.
2Th 3:4 We have confidence in the Lord that you are doing and will continue to do the things we command.
2Th 3:5 May the Lord direct your hearts into God's love and Christ's perseverance.
2Th 3:6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.
2Th 3:12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat.
2Th 3:16 Now may the Lord of peace himself give you peace at all times and in every way. The Lord be with all of you.
2Th 3:18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.
1Ti 1:2 To Timothy my true son in the faith: Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
1Ti 1:12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service.
1Ti 1:14 The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
1Ti 6:14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Ti 6:15 which God will bring about in his own time--God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
2Ti 1:2 To Timothy, my dear son: Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
2Ti 1:8 So do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord or of me his prisoner. Rather, join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God.
2Ti 1:16 May the Lord show mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, because he often refreshed me and was not ashamed of my chains.
2Ti 1:18 May the Lord grant that he will find mercy from the Lord on that day! You know very well in how many ways he helped me in Ephesus.
2Ti 2:7 Reflect on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight into all this.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."
2Ti 2:22 Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2Ti 3:11 persecutions, sufferings--what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them.
2Ti 4:8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day--and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.
2Ti 4:14 Alexander the metalworker did me a great deal of harm. The Lord will repay him for what he has done.
2Ti 4:17 But the Lord stood at my side and gave me strength, so that through me the message might be fully proclaimed and all the Gentiles might hear it. And I was delivered from the lion's mouth.
2Ti 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
2Ti 4:22 The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you all.
Phm 1:3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Phm 1:5 because I hear about your love for all his holy people and your faith in the Lord Jesus.
Phm 1:16 no longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a dear brother. He is very dear to me but even dearer to you, both as a fellow man and as a brother in the Lord.
Phm 1:20 I do wish, brother, that I may have some benefit from you in the Lord; refresh my heart in Christ.
Phm 1:25 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.





εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

TedM

While it is true that "Lord" in verse 9 is titular, the point is that verse 9 relates directly to verse 8. The "Lord" we live and die for is the same "Lord of the dead and of the living". That's Christ. Therefore, the phrase "the Lord" in verse 8 -- which is in lieu of a name -- refers most reasonably to Christ, and not to God. If it DOES refer to God, then you have the utter absurdity you wouldn't expect Paul to make.



Doesn't that line of reasoning allow you to say then that any reference to "the Lord" as Jesus "really" is referring to God? It seems to me that if your position is right Paul would more likely have said this:

Instead of Lord Christ..Lord Christ, he has Lord Lord..likewise Christ. Instead of Christ appearing to 'represent' the Lord God, it seems more likely that Christ IS substituted - that is used interchangeably with "the Lord" in the preceding opposite example, given the pattern used.



I guess it is a matter of distinguishing. His readers may have known that "in the Lord" was specific to work done for God. It's not clear to me, since we do also have this: Rom 14:14 . , and since not once does Paul refer to "in the Lord" as referencing God.





I'll grant that Paul may have been playing loosey-goosey with OT interpretation.

see my next post..

TedM

Having said all of this: Let's say that in ALL instances other than 1 Cor 9 and Gal 1:19 Paul uses "the Lord" in lieu of "God" and never in lieu of "Jesus". Would it be strange for him to then use it in lieu of "Jesus" in 1 Cor 9 and Gal 1:9? I think we should consider the alternatives:

brother of Jesus
brother of the Lord
brother of Christ
brother of the Savior
brother of some longer combination (the Lord Jesus, Jesus our Lord, etc..)

"brother of Jesus"

In the some 150 references in the 'authentic' epistles to Jesus, Paul almost never refers to Jesus without including Lord or Christ. In most of the few times he does he has included Lord or Christ in the preceding or following verse.

It appears to be an uncommon way for Paul to refer to Jesus, and so we might not expect Paul to say "brother of Jesus" without including "Lord" or "Christ" before or after it.

The 'common phrase' hypothesis:

There is another thing to consider: IF there was a group of Jesus' biological brothers or cousins, then it is conceivable that a common phrase came into usage when referring to them, since they probably would have been frequently referenced within the Christian community. Using a term other than "Jesus" would be preferable for 2 reasons: First, there were a lot of Jesus' walking around--everybody probably knew a dozen people with the name Jesus, so it wouldn't be the clearest identifier. Second, there would have been a tendency to use a phrase that honors Jesus with a title. As such, why not "the Lord"? After all, isn't that just a shortened version of "the Lord Jesus Christ", which Paul uses over 150 times? And you have to agree that there would not have been any confusion as to who they were talking about with such a phrase! And, it is simpler than and therefore would have been preferable to "brother of the Lord Jesus Christ".

So even if Paul may not have been fond of the phrase, there very possibly was a phrase in common usage -- either for this special "brothers of God" group, or for his biological brothers, that Paul used for the reason everyone else used would have: as a clear identifier.

As such, although you've obviously put a great deal of thought into this issue, the whole argument for rejecting the use of "the Lord" in lieu of "Jesus" on linguistic grounds seems to me to be nearly irrelevant, as I said before: The phrase likely preceded Paul, clearly identified which Jesus was meant, honored him with a title commonly applied to his name, and would have been known to his readers.

spin

I didn't ask you to find examples where you can make an argument for Jesus and then make assertions such as a phrase "refers most reasonably to Christ". All you are doing then is trying to assert your view over (say) mine and I see no problem with my reading based on the indications in the o.p., despite your trying to sidestep them. I don't see your problem in thinking that we live or die for god (special κυριος) and Jesus dying and living makes him lord (κυριος) over the dead and the living.

Let me reiterate the question in the o.p.:

Can you find examples in the corpus of Paul's "genuine" letters beyond the two in 1 Corinthians I have already mentioned that you can guarantee must refer to Jesus (as in the case of god raising the lord and the blood of the lord)?

I don't think your attempt to say what Paul should have written supports a case for reading special κυριος in the verse as Christ. Your need for distribution doesn't seem to have any impact on Paul. Just for clarity, let's rewrite a bit:

22 For he who was called in god while a slave, is god’s freedman; likewise he who was called while free, is Christ’s slave.

If special κυριος is what Paul inherited from his cultural background, then there would be no need to go beyond "in [special κυριος]".

I don't know why you are granting this. All I tried to do was show that the verb behind "directed" doesn't really involve the collocations you wanted.

spin

How does that affect the issue of understanding "the brother of the lord"?

:constern02:

Your theory seems to sweep the notion that it is the god of the Hebrew bible referred to throughout the LXX by the special κυριος without positing a reason for suddenly using it against the cultural tradition, I mean other than well hey, maybe they may have wanted a shorter phrase that was not "brothers of our lord Jesus". Something has to push people over the edge when they have a tradition that is changed. You've got nothing. Remember "the lord" to Paul when growing up--accepting his notion that he was well versed in the faith--was the god of gods.

The push that I have posited was when believers began to embrace the influence of pagan salvation as found in mystery cults. It was the savior who was the lord. This implies a transition period in the development of the religion, yet Paul is at the beginning of the written tradition, so there doesn't seem to be a reason for him jumping from using the special κυριος for god to using it occasionally for Jesus, despite the lack of clear pointers to his having done so.

tupac chopra

Whilst I can agree it may appear absurd (and I can agree that in our hebrew texts the difference is clear.)
). Paul's letters appear confused. I Thessalonians is a good example of his confusion or lack of clarity, at the least.
I'll give you some good evidence early resistance. Whoever translated the Syriac peshitta from Greek to Syriac, went through and repeatedly changed the Lord to our Lord, wherever it appeared confused or wrong.
Where the greek often reads the Lord, the translator of the peshitta changed it to our Lord. Including Galatians 1:19. Incredible. The translator 1700 or 1800 years ago changed Galatians 1:19 to read "our Lord".
So, whoever translated the peshitta understood precisely what you are saying.
So we would have, Paul writing the Lord in say 60 CE, and by say 200 CE (approx possibly) an eastern Syriac speaker being so uncomfortable that they changed the text to our lord.

TedM

The fact that Paul repeatedly used "the Lord Jesus Christ" and the gospel writers seemed to have no difficulty referring to Jesus as "the Lord" suggests that this 'cultural tradition' was not as strongly embedded as you might think it was. Apparently the love for Jesus was so great that using the phrase to describe Jesus was NOT seen as dishonoring God. "the Lord Jesus Christ" like it or not was not just a 'title'. It as a whole would quickly be seen as a way of referring to Jesus -- it was also a NAME for Jesus. As such, shortening it would be the next logical step. This is exactly what we see in the later writings. Jesus was "the Lord". He was "the Master".

The title became the name because it was CONVENIENT. That's what was needed when describing the brothers of Jesus -- a convenient phrase that honored Jesus at the same time. Obviously a shortcut would only have been used if the meaning was clearly not that of "the Lord God". The brothers of Jesus would have been so widely known (esp if the leader was his brother) that the usage of "the Lord" to describe their relationship would have been immediately understood by the Christian community. If anything would have 'sparked' the first usage of "the Lord" in lieu of using Jesus' name, it would have been something like this.


I find your response regarding my first example of Jesus as the Lord of the dead and living to be a stretch, as it served no purpose other than to confuse, if "the Lord" in the prior verse (8) was God. And your rewrite of the second example to not be more helpful than my rewrite. So, we'll have to agree to disagree.