Jeffrey Gibson

Here's an interesting note on who it is (those with low self-worth, especially with regard to their sense of agency in the world at large) who hold to, believe in, and promote conspiracy theories:

NY Times Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories



BTW, where's the evidence that Constantine ordered Eusebius (or anyone else) to produce 50 bibles? What primary source supports this idea?

Jeffrey

aa5874

The Eternal Christ cannot be an historical Christ.

Eusebius promoted Mythology under the guise of history.

Again, in the HJ/MJ argument the Eternal Christ is a Myth.

Eusebius believed in Mythology and wanted people to believe his Mythological Jesus was a figure of history.

Now, we have the writings of Philo, Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius and the Dead Sea Scrolls which mentioned nothing of a Messianic ruler called Jesus in the time of Tiberius.

There is simple no corroborative data for an historical Jesus c 6-33 CE.

Chili

Sure, but can I add here that history was made in the 'word story' that was presented circa 6-33 CE, wherein Jesus is real as the second Adam to undo the Gordian knot that keeps humans snared in their own life by the first Adam operative as usurper in us.

He so is "the way," but not the end and therefore should never be called "Messianic ruler," but must die to set the Christ free in Man to which he was second and not the Messiah himself: "As you say" is what he said, etc some more, but never proclaimed that himself, except in Matthew and Mark maybe where it could be read 'in agreement' to say the same thing (but I would not say that myself).

That is how and why he 'set the example' for us to follow and therefore we must as much as take him down from the cross and place ourselves upon it, and that is much easier said than done, I suppose.

Chili

But to know about Christology means nothing and nothing all and is actually already a proclamation of denial of being 'Christ seeing the seer see' = I Am [that I am and see the suchness of me].

That is what Christ is about and gives rise to the iota argument in evidence of that, wherein to deny that is to also deny the Son made manifest by that name in the very NT as NEW testament in force, wherein the testator died to see what he saw in the netherworld there, and wrote to tell us about it in the NT.

It so is a labyrinth event with white sails to declare the victory that drives the NT.

And let me add that there is nothing new about the manner and ways that is the same for all humans, but it is the colorful presentation that they 'made hay with' against the anti-christ that prevailed during those days, or called anti-chirst as opposite to Christ to make also hell known on earth, with black sails to say.

Chili

So here is the problem that you insist is right, but is totally wrong, and it is precisely the reason why "for those sins he died" so we will [also] be free from slavery and sin.

And let's be reminded here that Jews was not their aim, but you just can't have Judaizers in Rome where Catholic is the name of the game because Jesus and James are not a match but are opposites in view of the same end = the difference between heaven and hell here on this earth.

And do you not see the paradox in 'being far more Christian' than just being a Christian? . . . as if 'being a Christians' is a fantasy charade!And YES, it is for believers and unbelievers to know that slavery and sin is for 'sinners only' as 'the sheep' of 'their flock' and only their flock wherein they hear the shepherds voice . . . and hither and thither they will go until they get lost on their own and there the 'good shepherd' will find them [as in one by each] on his own.

And so there is no righteousness as Christian about them at all, and hence the words 'more Christian' do not belong in their world where even faith pertains only to flesh that remains flesh until 'called and chosen' to die to the cross that they carry when it turns the color purple on them.

All the passages you cited here speak in evidence of the saved-sinner complex wherein slavery is reinforced instead liberty for which the sinner-only must die on the cross in NT fashion as shown to us.

Chili

Catholics keep the 10 commandments and add 5 more of their own and in fact are experts in sin, with Venial, Cardinal, Capital and God knows what not else.

Most obvious is that you do not even know Catholics always looking with your protestant eyes and self righteous Sunday-suit on. Where I come from the word Christian was never heard and so is where 'Catholics are' what 'Catholics do' with no more to say.

Catholicism is just a faith based tradition with never an evangelist to be heard, least of all seen on national TV, nor are there two by two's knocking on doors to peddle their religious shit while thriving on the 'slamming of doors' into their faces that they receive in answer to their knock on the door of a total stranger to them.

They call it persecution and thrive on that as a soldier of Christ in the army of the Lord. Fucken bullshit ideas that come from the very pit of hell, but is the most popular sport in America still today, and that is the reason why Catholics cannot be Catholic there forever in defense against 'crawling' wolves even who are ready to $#@& and devour anything that moves, and in a measure of defense have painted red all over their front door to tell them from a distance "I am already bleeding like you," try the neighbor maybe.

And do you not remember Van Impe on national TV with that cute little #$%@ on his side calling Catholics his friends on Sunday morning hoping they would respond to his "altar call" while not in Church?

And it is so true that "no man can serve two masters" and therefore it is "sinner-only" that Catholics are and remain to never be snared in the saved-sinner complex that some protestants* not only advocate but try cast as a spell in their full-blooded fashion as witches on others. This so is why and how Catholics are the 'greener pastures' for them wherein 'wolving' is fair game and crawling as wolf is a venue to fame . . . and this all because their Lord Jesus hung the "Great Commision" on them to change the world around them instead of their own mind [wherein only they can reach heaven on earth].

* After this I owe an apology to my many great American friends in that I am only pointing at the evangelistic movement here for which America is known all over the world, and for which it is also disliked by many or most.

And please notice this line: wherein liberty is the aim of his claim instead of the saved sinner complex that they must maintain (bolding is mine to show the paradox in it).

andrewcriddle

Eusebius' vita-constantine Book IV chapters XXXVI Andrew Criddle

Jeffrey Gibson

Interesting that the rescript presupposes that there were Christians and Christian churches already in existence before the production of these ordered texts and that the texts themselves will be copies of a corpus of sacred scripture that existed before Eusebius and was not invented by him.

Jeffrey

stephan huller

Was that ever in doubt? Sort of like needing an alphabet to manufacture books. Is that controversial too? Feet for shoes? To be Jewish to adore Chinese food. Maybe not the last one.

spin

Let me be the first to assert that Eusebius, writing a fanta-history of Constantine, retrojected christianity into the past. It follows that if there were churches before then, they would need bibles, so Eusebius invents the production of 50 bibles for the phantom pre-Constantinian churches. I can't support these assertions with evidence, but you can't prove I'm wrong, so I'm free to maintain this fantasy impervious of your bound-to-fail attempts to show the "error of my way".

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