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Old 08-31-2013, 10:29 AM   #1051
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You may not like how I said it, but you know I'm right in context and content.
Neither you nor I know any such thing.


I don't. It was probably the scope of the libelli during the mid 3rd century. Before that anyone, be they of any religious persuasion, would have faced encouragement. Perhaps that included christians.


You might one day consider the fact that you don't pluck things out of the air, but from referenced sources.

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Second century the Romans had their subordinates deal with Christians.

I don't think it was until the end of the second century around Septimus Severus reign when Christian persecution was local and sporadic. Christianity in itself was viewed as a subversive act.
That's a [non-committal adjective] assertion.

Is Nero and his persecution a myth?
You've got to stop using "myth" this way. You'll confuse yourself when talking to a lot of mythicists.

On the evidence the tradition of Nero's persecution has an evolution that doesn't reach back to Nero.

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Was Clement making up all this in his fist letter to Corinthians?
1 Clement probably has no basis in history.

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Is Tertullians Apologeticus all myth?

Lyon persecution, all myth?

What about Pliny and Trajans conversations, giving them three chances to curse Christ?
The Romans were very conservative regarding religion. They were forced to tolerate the whims of a few emperors, but generally they considered their gods were what should be worshiped by them and anything else was a novelty, so anyone refusing to worship them was an atheist and suffered for it at times. People weren't persecuted for being christians, but for not worshiping the gods, any people. Obviously christians would take that as persecution against them and have no interest in other people who got shafted. I don't believe christians were persecuted as christians until the mid 3rd century.
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Old 08-31-2013, 10:34 AM   #1052
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Is Nero and his persecution a myth?

Is Tertullians Apologeticus all myth?

Was Clement making up all this in his fist letter to Corinthians?

Lyon persecution, all myth?

What about Pliny and Trajans conversations, giving them three chances to curse Christ?
1. Was it a myth that Jesus conceived by a Holy Ghost and a Virgin ? See the Synoptics.

2. Was it a myth that Jesus was the Logos and God Creator? See gJohn

3. Was it a myth that when Jesus was baptized a Holy Ghost bird descended on him and there was a voice from heaven? See the Synoptics

4. Was it a myth that Satan and Jesus were on the pinnacle of the Temple at the temptation? See the Synoptics

5. Was it a myth that Jesus cursed a fig tree so that it would perish from the roots? See the Synoptics

6. Was it a myth that Jesus walked on the sea of Galilee? See the Gospels

7. Was it a myth that Jesus fed 9000 people with a few pieces of bread and fish and had baskets of LEFTOVERS? See the Synoptics and gJohn

8. Was it a myth that Jesus transfigured and that Moses and Elijah appeared at the transfiguration? See the Synoptics

9. Was it a myth that Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead? See gJohn

10. Was it a myth that when Jesus was on the cross that another crucified victim CURSED Jesus? See the Synoptics

11. Was it a myth that Jesus was raised from the dead on the third day? See the NT Canon.

12. Was it a myth that Jesus commissioned his disciples AFTER he resurrected? See gMatthew, gMark, gLuke

13. Was it a myth that Jesus ATE Food after he resurrected? See gLuke

14. Was it a myth that Jesus COOKED food AFTER he was resurrected? See gJohn

15. Was it a myth that Jesus promised to send the Holy Ghost to give the disciples POWER? See gLuke

16. Was it a myth that Jesus ascended in clouds? See gLuke and gMark

It is clear that the ENTIRE story of Jesus of Nazareth is based on Jewish, Greek and Roman Mythology.

Even the Donkey Ride in the Jesus story was RIPPED from Jewish Mythology in the book of Zechariah.

Jewish Mythology is BOLTED to the Jesus story [the OT is BOLTED to the NT] so that the origin of the Jesus character could be easily CONFIRMED and CORROBORATED.

The Jesus character was conceived using ISAIAH 7.14.

The Jesus cult started when people believed the Mythology in the Septuagint.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:17 AM   #1053
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You've got to stop using "myth" this way. You'll confuse yourself when talking to a lot of mythicists.
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Fair enough.


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On the evidence the tradition of Nero's persecution has an evolution that doesn't reach back to Nero.
Still reading up in this.

Candida Moss takes a minimal stance, and Ropbert Price questions her on this.


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1 Clement probably has no basis in history.

Understood, but the core like much is debated is it not?



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The Romans were very conservative regarding religion. They were forced to tolerate the whims of a few emperors, but generally they considered their gods were what should be worshiped by them and anything else was a novelty, so anyone refusing to worship them was an atheist and suffered for it at times. People weren't persecuted for being christians, but for not worshiping the gods, any people. Obviously christians would take that as persecution against them and have no interest in other people who got shafted.
I have to give credit where its due.

Quality reply you normally do no see in public forums.

Agree whole hearted.


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I don't believe christians were persecuted as christians until the mid 3rd century
Your mirroring Price prety well on this.

http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.c...ersecution.htm


Martyr accounts started to flourish once the Diocletian trouble was past, and for reasons of ecclesiastical power politics. Eusebius, a great cataloguer of martyr-fictions, tended to meld the (real and imagined) pagan persecutors of the past with their supposed successors in his own day, the so-called heretics, both of them Satan’s agents to subvert and to destroy the One True Church.
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