outhouse

Well it didnt.

They didnt beat around the bush about what their intentions were.

They are very clear on what and why, they worshipped what they do.

It was also not a mystery religion, nor did it have any similarity of any mystery religion, other then all religions are worshipped differently.


The religion is very clear in its theism, AND doesnt need imgination to figure it out. It believed a physical man had died for their sins. Not the sun and not anything alse. This was another sect of Judaism in its conception not all that different from the many sects within Judaism. It wasnt even as radical as the Saducees and their beliefs.

The movement and beliefs changed with time, it factually evolved.


If you wanted to say that Marcion had believed in a cosmic deity you could possibly make a better case, then the blanket term your throwing around. But even then you still dont have any proof of any kind, and we know what kind of a heretic Marcion was and at that, the word cosmic is a huge stretch.

aa5874

Again, your claims are known Fallacies.

We know EXACTLY what the Jesus cult believed. It is documented and was publicly circulated in the Roman Empire for hundreds of years.

It was believed that Jesus was Born of a Holy Ghost, God the Creator and Transfiguring Sea water walker WITHOUT a human father.

1. gMark--Jesus walked on the sea and Transfigured.

2. gMatthew--Jesus was bon of a Ghost.

3. gLuke--Jesus was born of a Ghost.

4. gJohn--Jesus was God the Creator who made Adam and Eve.

5. The Pauline Corpus--Jesus was a Quickening Spirit and a Son of a God.

6. Ignatius Epistle to the Ephesians--Jesus was born of a Ghost.

7. Justin Martyr's Apology--Jesus was born of a Ghost.

8. Tertullian's On the Flesh of Christ--Jesus was born of a Ghost.

9. Aristides' Apology--Jesus was a Son of a God that lived in the daughter of man.

10. Origen's Against Celsus--Jesus was born of a Ghost.

11. Irenaeus' Against Heresies--Jesus was born of a Ghost.

J-D

There are stories about all those people having visions, but the evidence isn't sufficient to establish that they really did. However, whether the stories of the visions are true or not, they don't by themselves explain the origin of a new religion. The explanation needs to be filled out to say, among other things, what sort of message the visionary (or alleged visionary) preached and how that message won the acceptance it did. Otherwise there are too many obvious gaps in the story.

Mind you, there are plenty of historical stories with obvious gaps in them. I don't see a problem with people saying they can't explain the origin of Christianity. What bothers me is when I see people offering what they say are explanations when to me they don't explain.

aa5874

What we have before us is an extremely simple matter--the assumption that the Jesus cult of Christians was of Jewish origin is FALSE.

There is abundance of evidence from antiquity to support the argument that the Jesus cult was of Non-Jewish origin.

The people called Christians of the Jesus cult were not known to be Jews for hundreds of years and at least up to the 4th century.

Jesus of Nazareth a Messianic ruler is unknown in the non-apologetic ancient writings and was not acknowledged by Jews as a God, Savior, Messiah or that he had already come.

There is NO evidence in the history of the Jews that they worshiped men as Gods and in the 1st c entury even the Emperor of Rome, Gaius, CONFIRMED that ONLY the Jews did NOT worship him as a God in the whole world.

Philo's Embassy to Gaius Philo was a contemporary of the supposed Jesus, the son of a Ghost and the Apostles and never acknowledged them.

The very earliest stories in the Canon state that Jesus was REJECTED by the Jews as the Son of God and Messianic ruler, was found guilty of death for Blasphemy and was ASKED to be CRUCIFIED by them.

The assumption that Jews started the Jesus cult is a fallacy.

It was the Holy Ghost--See Acts 2.

Adam

Here I thought aa was an atheist, then he concludes proclaiming himself a Fundamentalist Christian.

Toto

aa is an atheist who insists on reading Christian texts for what they say, not what you want them to say.

But he has yet to explain why the gospels are based on the Hebrew scriptures if Christianity was not based on Judaism.

aa5874

Please, you don't seem to know what you are talking about. Why don't you tell us about yourself?

What is your position on the OP?

I have explained my position on the OP and have presented an extremely strong and superior argument based on the abundance of evidence from antiquity that the assumption that the Jews started the Jesus cult is fundamentally fallacious and without a shred of corroboration.

J-D

Obviously it wasn't the Holy Ghost that started Christianity, since there is no Holy Ghost; I know what it says in Acts, but what it says is not true.

aa5874

You are confirming that you are promoting propaganda.

Surely you very well know that I have merely shown what the author of Acts wrote.

Did not the author of Acts write that the resurrected Jesus ascended in a cloud AFTER he promised to send the Holy Ghost to give the disciples POWER?

Acts of the Apostles 2 The Holy Ghost was the POWER that started the Jesus cult--Not Jesus.

I may have made an error. If the Holy Ghost was Jewish then it was a Jew that started the Jesus cult. :banghead:

J-D

Yes, that is what's written in Acts, but ...... it's not true.The question is 'What started Christianity?' not 'What does the book say started Christianity?'