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Old 07-25-2013, 03:11 PM   #81
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Would he be seen as a martyr?
I believe so. Its my opinion if he had not been at Passover that weekend, chances are he would be unknown.

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Perhaps. But he also would be seen as a trouble-maker, as probably was Judas the Galilean and the Egyptian.
To certain people yes.


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So, what's different?
There is the 64,000 dollar question of the bunch.

To the corrupt Temple authorities, and Romans. Yes a trouble maker.


To the common hard working attendants of Passover, which include Jews, Gentiles, Proselytes. He "could" have seemed like a hero fighting against the corruption.




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Lots of people?
Good question, I dont know. Out of the 400,000 ish possible attendants, I wouldnt be suprised if only a few hundred took the matter to heart, or heard some kind of teaching that left a impression.


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Even if you are right, how does a martyr who got killed go from that to being resurrected? Why would this nobody martyr not remain dead
Another great question.

Its my opinion the oral tradition that was generated with his martyrdom started all kinds of rumors. I honestly think his real disciples tucked tail and ran back to Galilee never to be heard from again. Somewhere in the small groups of people who had heard him speak possible before his arrest, some may have believed he spiritually went up to be with god. As oral tradition does, it could have evolved, and im sure there were different versions being told as we have evidence with the Gospel of Peter telling a different resurrection mythology.




It very well could have taken a decade to grow in mythology


Missing body

Or Joseph A saying ya I placed him here in my tomb trying to give him a respectful memory, [if there was sush a character] when his body went to a pit with others.

Who knows? What we do know is that after Passover within a decade Paul writes about this. If Pauls dating is as correct as they think it is, and I have no reason to question it. People had been talking about the resurrection long before
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Was thinking about this over a late lunch. Allopinion here.

the Jesus character did something the thousands of other teachers in attendace at Passover did not do. He sacrificed his life with these demonstrations, when others talked, he acted for the benifit of all.


If this martyr was the talk of the event, or the news of the day or week, there could have been an opening for them to backfill his history coming up with the week before his death quickly, and the rest backfilled at a later date as mythology grew.

people could have added to the mythology what was important to them which made the movement appealing to some.
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