Minimalist

I doubt an anti-Roman zealot would get very far with such a message so, yeah... it does matter.

aa5874

Jesus was not an anti-Roman zealot.

He claimed the Jews were of their father the Devil.

John 8:44 KJV----Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do . He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


Matthew 23:13 KJV----But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!

Matthew 23:14 KJV----Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!

Matthew 23:15 KJV---Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!

Luke 22:2 KJV---And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him....

Jesus was ANTI-JEWISH son of a Ghost.

The Jesus character was a fictitious character in Myth Fables based on assumed Prophecies in the Septuagint.

It was the Jews, not the Romans, who killed or caused the death of Jesus in the earliest gMark.

It most astonishing to me to see the blatant propaganda that Jesus was an anti-Roman zealot when even in the Bible Pilate found NO Fault with Jesus and the Jews condemned him to be guilty of death for Blasphemy.

Steven Carr

So if Jesus was so harmless , why was he crucified?

Cheerful Charlie

Blasphemy. And being a disruptive influence. Telling the peasants to give up, walk away from farms and homes and wait for the apocalypse.

Cheerful Charlie

Steven Carr

Why would the Romans crucify someone for blasphemy?

And why would anybody crucify somebody for failing to incite peasants not to farm their land?

dogsgod

Joel L. Watts' closing statement:

"Jesus is a historical person, but we may not like what he looks like -- if we ever find him."


In other words, Jesus is an historical person, if we ever find him.

This written by the same person that casts aspersions upon those that question the historicity of Jesus.

How is a so called mythicist different than an historical Jesus proponent that says, "if we ever find him?"

aa5874

One cannot claim Jesus existed and have no known evidence of his existence as a man. The very Christians argued PUBLICLY in the Roman Empire for hundreds of years and documented their arguments that Jesus had no human father and was born of a Holy Ghost.

It would be quite absurd to suggest Superman was a human being when the author actually claimed he originated from Krypton.

It is equally absurd for Joel Watts or anyone else to claim the very same Jesus who originated from Heaven and was Fathered by a Holy Ghost was a figure of history.

The Quest for an Historical Jesus is completely futile because it is already known and documented for over 1500 years that he was NOT human.

John 1.1-3KJV1. Jesus came down from heaven.

Examine Aristices' Apology 2.Jesus was the Son of a God without a human father.

Examine Tertullian's "On the Flesh of Christ 3. Jesus was born of a Holy Ghost.

Origen's Preface to De Prinicipiis The non-historicity of Jesus is confirmed and documented for hundreds of years by the Jesus cult in and out the Canon.

outhouse

Blasphemy was a Jewish crime that would not bring a Roman death.

Telling Peasants to walk away from the farms they were basically renting would only mean starvation.

Care to try again.



The closest you were to real history, was the disruptive influence and that would only apply if you could show that he disrupted the temple when times were very tense, and his influence of trying to start a riot caused his death.

Ya bud you almost nailed it

outhouse

Exactly

His message while unknown is guessed about quite often though.

But his real message and what he did in the temple are 4 different things.



I think most of the love and peace was a smoke screen for the later authors so they could distance themselves from those troublesome Jews that were prone to violent rebellion due to severe oppression.

Minimalist

Here's the problem with that, aa. It assumes that "John" knew shit from shinola. Authors always put words into the mouth of their characters. So what? It isn't as if "jesus" wrote anything of his own.