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Old 05-22-2013, 08:08 AM   #371
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In my Legendary Thread The Tale Wagging The Dogma. Which "Mark" Wrote "Mark"? A Dear John Letter

I inventory all the different John Marks the Early Church identified as the author of "Mark":

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First "Mark"

Source: Irenaeus

Date: c. 180

Description: Follower and interpreter of Peter

Author Source: Memory

Authority: None

Location: Unknown


Second "Mark"

Source: Eusebius referring to Clement

Date: Eusebius c. 324, Clement c. 200

Description: Follower of Peter but not the Cephas (Peter) that Paul knew.

Timing: Wrote while Peter was still alive.

Author Source: Memory

Authority: Request of Romans

Location: Rome


Third "Mark" (Glaucias)

Source: Clement referring to Basilides

Date: Eusebius c. 324, Clement c. 200

Author or at least source of information: Glaucias

Description of "Mark": Interpreter of Peter

Timing: Contemporary to orthodox claim of "Mark" as interpreter of Peter

Author Source: Peter

Authority: ?


Fourth "Mark"

Source: Eusebius referring to Clement

Date: Eusebius c. 324, Clement c. 200

Description: Follower of Peter

Timing: Wrote while Peter was still alive.

Author Source: Memory

Authority: Request of Romans

Location: Rome


Fifth "Mark"

Source: Eusebius referring to Origen

Date: Eusebius c. 324, Origen c. 230

Description: Follower of Peter

Timing: Wrote while Peter was still alive.

Author Source: Peter

Authority: Peter

Location: Rome


Sixth "Mark"

Source: Jerome

Date: c. 400

Author: Peter

Description of "Mark": Scribe

Timing: Wrote while Peter was still alive.

Author Source: Peter

Authority: Peter

Location: Rome


Seventh "Mark"

Source: Augustine

Date: c. 400

Author: Mark

Description of "Mark": Follower of Peter

Timing: Wrote after "Matthew" and before "Luke"

Author Source: "Matthew"

Authority: ?

Location: ?


Eighth "Mark"

Source: Hippolytus/Fake Hippolytus

Date: c. 202 - c. 19th century (We'll see how the Assertian fits the timelieon at the end)

Author: Mark

Description of "Mark": Disciple of Jesus

Timing: Wrote while Peter was still alive.

Author Source: Jesus

Authority: Peter

Location: Rome


Ninth "Mark"

Source: Acts of Mark

Date: ?

Author: ?

Description of "Mark": Disciple of Jesus

Timing: ?

Author Source: ?

Authority: ?

Location: ?

Note that based on description, "Disciple of Jesus", the dating placement would be after Augustine, c. 400.

So many "Marks" and "Peters". How do you decide which is the source, Rock, Papals, Caesars?
So here's the External witness for John Mark, all claiming that he was the author of "Mark". There is no external evidence that John Mark wrote "John" or any part of it. A contradiction to your theory Adam that can not be ignored/denied/apologized.



Joseph

And the Terminus Quote for this Thread:

Church Tradition, n. A mysterious entity that unlike Jesus who was only able to incarnate once, can be magically incarnated at an Apologist's whim to support Christian assertian as reliable and undisputed evidence and than disincarnate just as quickly as only the word of men and not Scripture when it goes against Christian assertian.

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