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TedM · 08-06-2013, 06:40 AM

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As this is now so boring, you get last say.

Here we agree. Done.

aa5874 · 08-06-2013, 06:57 AM

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As this is now so boring, you get last say.

I agree with this here. Done.

You missed a perfect opportunity to ask spin the meaning of 'apposite' in post #2. You may have had a lot of fun on the thread.

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Two things:

1) among those 402 hits are a number of cases that refer to the "lord Jesus (Christ)"; the discussion involved the use of "the lord" when it substituted a name, not when it was apposite......

spin · 08-06-2013, 07:15 AM

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Mark 1

gMark is about the Lord Jesus Christ and that John prepared the way for the Lord Jesus.

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΡΚΟΝ 2:28 (SBLGNT)

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28 ὥστε κύριός ἐστιν ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου καὶ τοῦ σαββάτου.

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΡΚΟΝ 11:3 (SBLGNT)

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3 καὶ ἐάν τις ὑμῖν εἴπῃ· Τί ποιεῖτε τοῦτο; εἴπατε [a]ὅτι Ὁ κύριος αὐτοῦ χρείαν ἔχει· καὶ [b]εὐθὺς αὐτὸν ἀποστέλλει [c]πάλιν ὧδε.

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΡΚΟΝ 16:19 (SBLGNT)

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19 Ὁ μὲν οὖν κύριος [a]Ἰησοῦς μετὰ τὸ λαλῆσαι αὐτοῖς ἀνελήμφθη εἰς τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ ἐκάθισεν ἐκ δεξιῶν τοῦ θεοῦ.

Can you read Greek?

I have knowledge of Greek.

Nicely worded. I knew someone who'd had a fling with a storekeeper from Patras. You could say she had knowledge of Greek as well.

aa5874 · 08-06-2013, 07:23 AM

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Nicely worded. I knew someone who'd had a fling with a storekeeper from Patras. You could say she had knowledge of Greek as well.

You have knowledge of English? Tell us what 'apposite' means.

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Two things:

1) among those 402 hits are a number of cases that refer to the "lord Jesus (Christ)"; the discussion involved the use of "the lord" when it substituted a name, not when it was apposite......

spin · 08-06-2013, 08:25 AM

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Nicely worded. I knew someone who'd had a fling with a storekeeper from Patras. You could say she had knowledge of Greek as well.

You have knowledge of English? Tell us what 'apposite' means.

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Two things:

1) among those 402 hits are a number of cases that refer to the "lord Jesus (Christ)"; the discussion involved the use of "the lord" when it substituted a name, not when it was apposite......

(<- Click.)

stephan huller · 08-06-2013, 09:16 AM

To be fair, we all might have a difficult time adapting to a new language. The question of course is why doesn't aa keep his mouth shut when it comes to correcting other people's use of English when he is SO CHALLENGED BY that language.

spin · 08-06-2013, 09:23 AM

Hey, what's this MAPKON business? It sounds like a regular meeting of German cartographers.

jdboy · 08-06-2013, 09:38 AM

So is God the father the Yahweh of the OT

aa5874 · 08-06-2013, 12:03 PM

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So is God the father the Yahweh of the OT

In the Septuagint version of the Hebrew Bible God is Lord.

In the Greek New Testament Jesus is Lord.

In the Jesus cult Jesus is God and Lord.

Examine the Creed of the Jesus cult.

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We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father....

Jesus is the LORD God and Creator in the Jesus cult.

Ignatius' Ephesians

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For our God, Jesus Christ, was, according to the appointment of God, conceived in the womb by Mary, of the seed of David, but by the Holy Ghost.

spin · 08-06-2013, 08:37 PM

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So is God the father the Yahweh of the OT

This looks like a practice run on the subject of apposition of noun phrases in English.

There aren't many traces of god being father in the Hebrew bible:

Malachi 2:10a
Have we all not one father and did not one god create us

Isa 63:26
you, O LORD, are our father; our Redeemer from of old is your name.

Isa 64:8
Yet, O LORD, you are our Father;

God is frequently enough referred to as the "god of your/our/their fathers", so the reference to god as father would be difficult in such a context: think, "god the father... of our fathers..."!?

The references in Isaiah are from the latest section of the text (often referred to as Trito-Isaiah), so we may be witnessing a late development of referring to god as father, but they do show that god the father is indeed Yahweh.

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08-06-2013, 09:16 AM	#116
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	To be fair, we all might have a difficult time adapting to a new language. The question of course is why doesn't aa keep his mouth shut when it comes to correcting other people's use of English when he is SO CHALLENGED BY that language.

08-06-2013, 09:23 AM	#117
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	Hey, what's this MAPKON business? It sounds like a regular meeting of German cartographers.

08-06-2013, 09:38 AM	#118
jdboy Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: NW United States Posts: 155	So is God the father the Yahweh of the OT

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