Grog

I notice that Tom Verenna has gone silent on this.

mountainman

It's unthinkable that Christian inspired conspiracies exist.

Please just stop thinking about system clocks.

Chronology has absolutely nothing to do with Christian history.





εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

Toto

We don't know what Tom Verenna or the other bibliobloggers are saying in private. Not all of the facts may be out yet, and it is a holiday weekend for much of the US.

Tenorikuma

We can't be too hard on Mr. Verenna. He gave his friend Joel Watts the benefit of the doubt, calling him "honest" in a public forum, and now knows he was lied to like the rest of us. That probably stings a bit.

hjalti

Tom, so that explains why his system time was the same as the time of the sent e-mail and why he had the time and date settings open? :huh:

Steven Carr

To be fair to Tom Verenna, he is not a technical person and probably thought a Microsoft Exchange Server glitch could alter the system time and date on a Mac, when you are not connected to the Internet and are using Gmail.

Toto

Last piece of the puzzle

Question: will there be any consequences for Joel?

Tom Verenna

I was on vacation, yes. No real internet access where I was staying. Sorry for my delay. I must say that I'm not convinced that Joel is lying. But even if on the off chance he is lying about when he sent the email, this does not change two important pieces of information:

1. Wordpress confirmed that a breach of DMCA was occurring on Godfrey's blog
2. The blog post was taken down by wordpress and Godfrey still had to manually repost it--THIS ACTION resulted in his blog being pulled down.

Joel can perhaps be found guilty of reporting this to Wordpress concerning DMCA laws (and he is well within his legal right to do so). He cannot be held responsible for Godfrey's blog coming down. Everyone defending Godfrey here is conveniently ignoring the fact that Godfrey had to know his post was taken down and he had to know *why* and he still reposted it anyway. His blog coming down is not Joel's fault any more than the invention of the wheel can be blamed for the deaths caused by war chariots.

As a friend of mine, I've known Joel longer than Godfrey and he has always been honest with me. Godfrey has not always been honest and has shown a penchant for interpreting random comments as personal attacks or assaults on his character and this situation is just another example of what we can call an unfortunate consequence of miscommunication--not a deliberate attempt to silence him. Godfrey, I suspect, does know how to summarize and link to a piece while quoting segments of text rather than a whole blog post (as Joel claims he did).

That said, I am bowing out of this conversation. Hope you all had a great weekend and I look forward to other engaging conversations in the future. Perhaps those that don't involve my friends? =)

Steven Carr

On America's Dumbest Criminals, dumb criminals write ransom notes on the back of envelopes with their name on them.

But not even America's Dumbest Criminal then takes a picture of it , and posts it on their blog, the way Joel Watts did.

But , ladies and gentlemen, we now have found somebody who doesn't think America's Dumbest Biblioblogger was lying when he opened the Change System Date/Time application, took a screenshot with the application still open and then posted it!

I think America's Dumbest Criminals will be hoping Tom Verenna is on the jury....

Meanwhile, Verenna insists Neil Godfrey should have checked his emails at about 2.30 in the morning , Oz time, to try to see if his website was about to be taken down....

(The way you do....)

I imagine Tom has set his alarm clock for about 3 am, so he can see if his blog has been threatened with legal action - the way he does every night.

stephan huller

Well now we know what the Biblioblog community "thinks in private" about this. Blame the pedestrian for being on the road while king Joel is driving ...