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Old 05-23-2013, 01:53 PM   #31
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The credibility of Paul cannot be disputed by a believer: Paul received the Gospel by special revelation directly from Jesus Christ.
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Paul never existed. His epistles are the work of a group of writers reshaping existing writings and particularly the scriptures pertaining to Moses, says Thomas Brodie, he adds that they chose “ letter writing and in doing so brought the composition of epistles to a new level.”. They intended to make Paul a new Moses.
So, which is it?

The latter - "Paul's .. epistles are the work of a group of writers reshaping existing writings and particularly the scriptures pertaining to Moses" - seems more credible.
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Old 05-23-2013, 02:22 PM   #32
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...The never ending controversy about Paul is continuing, going on and on, as Sheshbazzar says.
Well, based on the abundance of evidence from ANTIQUITY the Pauline writings are not credible.
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...The never ending controversy about Paul is continuing, going on and on, as Sheshbazzar says.
Well, based on the abundance of evidence from ANTIQUITY the Pauline writings are not credible.
No, they are not credible.

Believers ‘know’ they are credible.

This is an extreme example, the execution of Jan Hus


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When the executioners at once lit [the fire], the Master immediately began to sing in a loud voice, at first "Christ, Thou son of the God, have mercy upon us," and secondly, Christ, Thou son of the God, have mercy upon me," and in the third place, "Thou Who art born of Mary the Virgin."
http://www.columbia.edu/~js322/misc/hus-eng.html


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....Is Paul credible? Are Mohamed, Buddha, Moses... credible?
Are you willing to answer the question?

Don't worry. Paul was a false witness.

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Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
How do you know the dead don't rise in heaven as jesus stated they would?
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....Is Paul credible? Are Mohamed, Buddha, Moses... credible?
Are you willing to answer the question?

Don't worry. Paul was a false witness.

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Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
How do you know the dead don't rise in heaven as jesus stated they would?
The heavens described created at the start of Genesis mean the sky. Should we expect to see the dead rise in the sky?
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The Pauline post resurrection visits of Over 500 PEOPLE must have or was most likely composed after gMark who knew NOTHING of post-resurrection visits.
Short gMark sort of implies post-resurrection visits would happen in Galilee. Intersting then that gLuke and gMatthew both have the resurrected Jesus appearing in Judea. Was there some furthersource they used other than gMark and some sayings source? If one copied the other on this point why do they so blatantly contradict each other on other details (e.g. Jesus' birth)?
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How do you know the dead don't rise in heaven as jesus stated they would?
The heavens described created at the start of Genesis mean the sky. Should we expect to see the dead rise in the sky?
No we shouldn't. there is the visible heaven sky and the invisible heaven

Colossians 1:16
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him"

aa can't claim that Paul is a false witness as Paul was claiming visions from heaven where the dead rise.

we have no evidence of a St Paul a Jesus of Nazareth on Planet earth during the 1st ce and no evidence of heaven on earth.
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Don't worry. Paul was a false witness.

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Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
How do you know the dead don't rise in heaven as jesus stated they would?

Right now, there is no evidence that people can resurrect and rise to heaven after being dead.

As soon as you find evidence of a resurrection then I may review my argument. I cannot speculate about the unknown.
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The Pauline post resurrection visits of Over 500 PEOPLE must have or was most likely composed after gMark who knew NOTHING of post-resurrection visits.
Short gMark sort of implies post-resurrection visits would happen in Galilee. Intersting then that gLuke and gMatthew both have the resurrected Jesus appearing in Judea. Was there some furthersource they used other than gMark and some sayings source? If one copied the other on this point why do they so blatantly contradict each other on other details (e.g. Jesus' birth)?
The author of gMatthew did claim that the disciples met the resurrected Jesus ON A MOUNTAIN in Galilee as they were told to do.

The author of gMark also claim the disciples should meet Jesus in Galilee after the resurrection.

However, the author of gLuke changed the story and claimed the disciples met the resurrected Jesus in Jerusalem.
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The author of gMatthew did claim that the disciples met the resurrected Jesus ON A MOUNTAIN in Galilee as they were told to do.
AND Jesus appeared in Jerusalem (Mattt 28:9).

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The author of gMark also claim the disciples should meet Jesus in Galilee after the resurrection.
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However, the author of gLuke changed the story and claimed the disciples met the resurrected Jesus in Jerusalem.
Why just the author of gLuke? The author of gMatthew also has Jesus appearing in Judea (before Galilee). Was there some further source they used other than gMark and a sayings source? If one copied the other on this point why do they so blatantly contradict each other on other details (e.g. Jesus' birth)?
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