andrewcriddle

The article is clearly claiming fraud
(Google translate edited by me)

Andrew Criddle

DCHindley

Came across as more than a little conspiracy theory like to me. "Those Christian universities that sponsor excavations are planting evidence!" Didn't Mel Gibson once do a movie named "Conspiracy theory?"

The author (who I cannot find anything about in Google except for this essay) thinks that Jerry Vardaman perpetrated a fraud when he claims to have found micro-letters on coins and inscriptions that outline a chronology of Jesus' life.

I just recently OCR scanned his 3 sets of lecture notes where he first speaks publically about the micro-letters, and I do think he was a little kooky (think schizophrenic) and was using way too much special pleading to confirm what he already believed. Conservative Protestant Christianity if chock full of special pleading.

DCH

jdboy

It was no trouble for Emperor Constantine. It would have been trouble if they hadn't followed scripture.
Is it only trouble for those trying to find a Jesus from Nazareth in the 1st ce?

Don't you think critics of Constantine would have complained that the town already existed?

Josephus tells us the jewish priests were first sent to Gophna.

Toto

Zindler has published the first two parts of his translation

Nazareth, the Caesarea Inscription, and the hand of God—Pt. 1

Nazareth, the Caesarea Inscription, and the hand of God—Pt. 2

Toto

Update: Zindler is now up to part 6 of his translation.

part 3

prt 4

part 5

part 6

Grog

It's also not likely that australopithecines have anything to do with the evolution of homo sapiens because they "may also have been functionally unique, using a form of locomotion unlike any known form."

Man, Apes, Australopithecines Are All Unique.

The fallacy here is the use of the term "Christian" to make a distinction between, I believe false, between examples of proto-Christian and fully "Christian" material. Paul's writings, assuming an EARLY Paul (acknowledging that this may be problematic), are on the continuation of evolution belief in a heavenly Jesus and a Jesus that actually preached and lived in recent history. I believe examples of early proto-Christian beliefs include the Wisdom of Solomon, Philo's Logos, certain 1st Century gnostic works (such as the Apoc. of Adam), and the like. The dividing line, when these ideas became attached to a figure called Jesus Christ, is false. It allows us to recognize material as "Christian" but obscures the transition into Jesus Christ from these earlier beliefs.

If we could discover the "missing link" would we be able to tell if it is homo sapiens or the species that gave rise to homo sapiens?

aa5874

There is no obscurity at all. The story of Jesus Christ the Son of God predated the Pauline Corpus. You are assuming the Pauline writer was early knowing that such assumption is problematic to create an erroneous timeline.

It is absolutely clear that even if you assume that the Pauline writer was early it will still be seen that he knew NOTHING of the activities of the supposed heavenly Jesus.

What did the supposed heavenly Jesus do BEFORE the heavenly crucifixion in the Pauline Corpus?

We have NOTHING in the Pauline Corpus about the "life" of the supposed heavenly Jesus.

The Pauline Corpus is NOT about the life of an heavenly Jesus but of the Resurrected Jesus.

The Pauline Corpus is supposed to be about Pauline revelations from Jesus who was raised from the dead.

The Pauline writers are claiming to be WITNESSES of the resurrected Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15:15 KJV The Pauline writers supposedly went "ALL OVER" the Roman Empire as Witnesses of Jesus who was raised from the dead.

1. The Pauline writers were witnesses of fiction and documented their fabrication of evidence in the Pauline Corpus.

2. There is virtually no corroboration for the Pauline post resurrection details in the Canon.

3. There is virtually no corroboration for the Pauline revealed Gospel in the Canon.

4. There is virtually no corroboration of the Pauline revelations by the author of REVELATION by John in the Canon.

5. The Only Canonised writing [2nd Peter] to mention Paul wrote letters is considered a forgery by Scholars and the 4th century Church.

6. The author of Acts shows NO Pauline letters were known up to at least c 59-62 CE

7. Up to the late 2nd century there are apologetic writers who mentioned the story of Jesus without mentioning Paul.

8. Up to the LATE 2nd century there was NO acknowledgement by apologetics that Paul preached the Gospel in the Roman Empire.

9. Apologetic writers who used the Pauline Corpus also claimed Jesus was in Galilee and crucified under Pilate after found guilty of death by the Sanhedrin for blasphemy in Jerusalem.

10. There already were WRITTEN stories of Jesus, that he died for our sins and resurrected on the third day, when the Pauline writers were alive.

The Pauline Corpus does NOT help at all with the argument for an historical Jesus and does not even mention Nazareth.

And further, the Pauline Corpus claimed Jesus was a Quickening Spirit and equal to God.

Steve Weiss

Hasn't Albert Schweitzer covered this ground adequately? Conclusion: No evidence for an historical Jesus.

Toto

Schweitzer thought that the historical Jesus could not be recovered with any certainty, but still believed that the religion started with a person.

The mythicist alternative is that the Christian religion started around a spiritual savior, and that a historical persona was constructed and back dated to the time of Pilate by later Christians.

aa5874

Albert Schweitzer stated specifically that Jesus of Nazareth NEVER existed.

Examine the Conclusion of "The Quest for the Historical Jesus"

See http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...chapter20.html

See http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...chapter20.html

Albert Schweitzer is extremely clear---Jesus is either fiction or an eschatological conception.

It is most fascinating that it was already known for over a hundred years that Jesus of Nazareth NEVER existed yet HJers continue to ignore the facts and are now attacking "mythicists" with strawman arguments knowing full well that Schweitzer has destroyed their Quest for an HJ.


See http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...chapter20.html

It is documented. The Quest for an HJ was a mistake. No HJ of Nazareth ever existed.