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Old 12-16-2012, 11:14 AM   #151
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Anyone learning anything new from Adams walls of cut and paste ?
Notice also Adam's typical ' losers syndrome ' of rapidly declining in to personal insults all in lieu of his typical defeated Cult minded total lack of legitimate evidence for his already defeated Cult ideological cause!

Good job I am not only his successful Cult busting mentor, but I bust Cults like Adam's with deadly accuracy, benevolence, modesty and Unlike Adam, Truth!

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He is just going to cut and paste 10 more pages you know.
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Continuing from Post #142 with Selection #7 (Continued from Posts #142,#135 #123, #109, #87, #1):
For this second pass through of Gospel Eyewitnesses not already listed in Early Aramaic Gospels, the Lucan selections from Special Luke shown bracketed likely were in Aramaic as well, but the Lucan passages from q2 (in regular type) were already in Greek. Ellipses represent filler material. The Marcan passages are from an Ur-Marcus already in Greek before it was taken into Mark or Luke. Similarly, the first 12 chapters here from John are from the Signs Source (by Andrew) already in Greek probably from the first. John 13 and thereafter here I attribute to the Apostle John himself. Certain uniquely Matthean sections are included where the content is paralleled in the Gospel of Thomas or even where the Jesus Seminar affirmed them as from Jesus.


Mark 12:
18 And Sad'ducees came to him, who say that there is no resurrection; and they asked him a question, saying, 19 "Teacher, Moses wrote for us that if a man's brother dies and leaves a wife, but leaves no child, the man must take the wife, and raise up children for his brother. 20 There were seven brothers; the first took a wife, and when he died left no children; 21 and the second took her, and died, leaving no children; and the third likewise; 22 and the seven left no children. Last of all the woman also died. 23 In the resurrection whose wife will she be? For the seven had her as wife."

35 And as Jesus taught in the temple, he said, "How can the scribes say that the Christ is the son of David? 36 David himself, inspired by the Holy Spirit, declared, 'The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, till I put thy enemies under thy feet.' 37 David himself calls him Lord; so how is he his son?" And the great throng heard him gladly. 38 And in his teaching he said, "Beware of the scribes, who like to go about in long robes, and to have salutations in the market places 39 and the best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at feasts, 40 who devour widows' houses and for a pretense make long prayers. They will receive the greater condemnation." 41 And he sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the multitude putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 And a poor widow came, and put in two copper coins, which make a penny. 43 And he called his disciples to him, and said to them, "Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. 44 For they all contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, her whole living."

Mark 13:
1 And as he came out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him, "Look, Teacher, what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!" 2 And Jesus said to him, "Do you see these great buildings? There will not be left here one stone upon another, that will not be thrown down." 3 And as he sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 "Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign when these things are all to be accomplished?" 5 And Jesus began to say to them, "Take heed that no one leads you astray. 6 Many will come in my name, saying, 'I am he!' and they will lead many astray. 7 And when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed; this must take place, but the end is not yet. 8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in various places, there will be famines; this is but the beginning of the birth-pangs. 9 "But take heed to yourselves; for they will deliver you up to councils; and you will be beaten in synagogues; and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear testimony before them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 And when they bring you to trial and deliver you up, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say; but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. 12 And brother will deliver up brother to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death; 13 and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. 14 "But when you see the desolating sacrilege set up where it ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; 15 let him who is on the housetop not go down, nor enter his house, to take anything away; 16 and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. 17* And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days!

26* And then they will see the Son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then he will send out the angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven. 28 "From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30* Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away before all these things take place. 31* Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

Luke 21:
[24 they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.]
[34 ‘Be on guard so that your hearts are not weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of this life, and that day does not catch you unexpectedly, 35like a trap. For it will come upon all who live on the face of the whole earth. 36Be alert at all times, praying that you may have the strength to escape all these things that will take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.’

37 And every day he was teaching in the temple, but at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet. 38 And early in the morning all the people came to him in the temple to hear him. ]

Mark 14:
1 It was now two days before the Passover and the feast of Unleavened Bread. And the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how to arrest him by stealth, and kill him; 2 for they said, "Not during the feast, lest there be a tumult of the people." 3 And while he was at Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at table, a woman came with an alabaster flask of ointment of pure nard, very costly, and she broke the flask and poured it over his head. 4 But there were some who said to themselves indignantly, "Why was the ointment thus wasted? 5 For this ointment might have been sold for more than three hundred denarii, and given to the poor." And they reproached her. 6 But Jesus said, "Let her alone; why do you trouble her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you will, you can do good to them; but you will not always have me. 8 She has done what she could; she has anointed my body beforehand for burying. 9 And truly, I say to you, wherever the gospel is preached in the whole world, what she has done will be told in memory of her."

12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb is sacrificed, his disciples said to him, ‘Where do you want us to go and make the preparations for you to eat the Passover?’ 13 So he sent two of his disciples, saying to them, ‘Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you; follow him, 14 and wherever he enters, say to the owner of the house, “The Teacher asks, Where is my guest room where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?” 15 He will show you a large room upstairs, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there.’ 16 So the disciples set out and went to the city, and found everything as he had told them; and they prepared the Passover meal.

[We switch gears henceforth regarding passages from John. Whereas in Early Aramaic Gospels the earlier (basically 17) chapters of John were from the Discourse Source (G and much of E) by Nicodemus and the remainder could be reserved to present the Passion Narrative (S and G) by John Mark, now in this second tier of eyewitnesses the first 12 chapters of John contain primarily Andrew’s Signs Source (S) which does not appears in John 13 or 21 at all. Therefore the narrative source in these later chapters has to be by default the E writer (ordinarily the Editor) whom I identify as John the Apostle.]

John 13:
G 1…Jesus, seeing that his hour had come that he should pass from this world to the Father, E having loved his own in the world, he loved them to (the) end. 2 And when it was suppertime, when the Devil had already put (it) into (his) heart that Judas Iscariot (son) of Simon, should betray him,…
4 he got up from supper and laid aside (his) garments, and taking a linen cloth he girded himself. 5 Next he cast water into a basin and began to wash the feet of the disciples and to wipe (them) with the linen cloth with which he was girded. 6 Then he comes to Simon Peter. He says to him, “”Lord, do you wash my feet?” 7 Answered Jesus and said to him, “What I do you do not know….8 Peter says to him, “You may never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part with me.” 9 Simon Peter says to him, “Lord not my feet only, but also (my) hands and head.”
E 12 Then after he washed their feet, he took his garments and reclined again. He said to them, “Do you know what I have done for you? 13 You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Master’, and you say well, for I am. 14 Then if I, (your) master and teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash the feet of one another. 15 I have given an example to you in order that even as I have done, you also should do.

John 13:
E 21 Having said these things, Jesus was disturbed in spirit and testified and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you that one of you will betray me.” 22 The disciples looked at each other, being uncertain about whom he is speaking. 23 There was reclining one of his disciples….24 Then Simon Peter nods to this one and says to him, “Say who (it) is about whom he speaks.” 25 That one…says to him, “Lord, who is (it)?” 26 Jesus answers, “That one (it) is to whom I will dip a piece of bread and give (it) to him.” Then having dipped a piece of bread he takes and give (it) to Judas Iscariot, (son) of Simon…..
E 30 Then taking the piece of bread, that one went out immediately. And it was night. 31 Then when he went out, Jesus says, “Now the Son of Man has been glorified, and God has been glorified by him, 32 and God will glorify him by him, and immediately he will glorify him. 33 Little children, still a little (while) I am with you. You will seek me, and even as I said to the Jews, ‘Where I am going you are not able to come.’….
36 Simon Peter says to him, “Lord where are you going?” Jesus answered, “Where I am going, you are not able to follow me now, but you will follow later.” R 37 peter says to him, “”Why can I not follow you now.?” E I will lay down my life for you.” 38 Jesus answers, “Will you lay down your life for me” Truly, truly, I say to you, the cock will not crow until you deny me thrice.”

Luke 22:
[35 And he said to them, "When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?" They said, "Nothing." 36 He said to them, "But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one. 37 For I tell you that this scripture must be fulfilled in me, 'And he was reckoned with transgressors'; for what is written about me has its fulfilment." 38 And they said, "Look, Lord, here are two swords." And he said to them, "It is enough."]
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Continuing from Post #152 with Selection #8 (Continued from preceding Posts #142,#135 #123, #109, #87, #1). See also bold preceding Post #152:
[48 but Jesus said to him, "Judas, would you betray the Son of man with a kiss?" 49 And when those who were about him saw what would follow, they said, "Lord, shall we strike with the sword?" ….51 But Jesus said, "No more of this!" And he touched his ear and healed him. ]
Mark 14:
48 And Jesus said to them, "Have you come out as against a robber, with swords and clubs to capture me? 49* Day after day I was with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize me. But let the scriptures be fulfilled." 50 And they all forsook him, and fled. 51 And a young man followed him, with nothing but a linen cloth about his body; and they seized him, 52 but he left the linen cloth and ran away naked.

Luke 22:
[65 And they spoke many other words against him, reviling him. 66 When day came, the assembly of the elders of the people gathered together, both chief priests and scribes; and they led him away to their council, and they said, 67 "If you are the Christ, tell us." But he said to them, "If I tell you, you will not believe; 68 and if I ask you, you will not answer. 69 But from now on the Son of man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God." 70 And they all said, "Are you the Son of God, then?" And he said to them, "You say that I am." 71 And they said, "What further testimony do we need? We have heard it ourselves from his own lips."]

Luke 23:
[1 Then the whole company of them arose, and brought him before Pilate. 2 And they began to accuse him, saying, "We found this man perverting our nation, and forbidding us to give tribute to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ a king." 3 And Pilate asked him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" And he answered him, "You have said so." 4 And Pilate said to the chief priests and the multitudes, "I find no crime in this man." 5 But they were urgent, saying, "He stirs up the people, teaching throughout all Judea, from Galilee even to this place." 6 When Pilate heard this, he asked whether the man was a Galilean. 7 And when he learned that he belonged to Herod's jurisdiction, he sent him over to Herod, who was himself in Jerusalem at that time. 8 When Herod saw Jesus, he was very glad, for he had long desired to see him, because he had heard about him, and he was hoping to see some sign done by him. 9 So he questioned him at some length; but he made no answer. 10 The chief priests and the scribes stood by, vehemently accusing him. 11 And Herod with his soldiers treated him with contempt and mocked him; then, arraying him in gorgeous apparel, he sent him back to Pilate. 12 And Herod and Pilate became friends with each other that very day, for before this they had been at enmity with each other. 13 Pilate then called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people, 14 and said to them, "You brought me this man as one who was perverting the people; and after examining him before you, behold, I did not find this man guilty of any of your charges against him; 15 neither did Herod, for he sent him back to us. Behold, nothing deserving death has been done by him; 16 I will therefore chastise him and release him."]

Mark 15:
16 Then the soldiers led him into the courtyard of the palace (that is, the governor’s headquarters*); and they called together the whole cohort. 17 And they clothed him in a purple cloak; and after twisting some thorns into a crown, they put it on him. 18 And they began saluting him, ‘Hail, King of the Jews!’ 19 They struck his head with a reed, spat upon him, and knelt down in homage to him. 20 After mocking him, they stripped him of the purple cloak and put his own clothes on him. Then they led him out to crucify him.
21 They compelled a passer-by, who was coming in from the country, to carry his cross; it was Simon of Cyrene, the father of Alexander and Rufus.

Luke 23:
27 And there followed him a great multitude of the people, and of women who bewailed and lamented him. 28 But Jesus turning to them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never gave suck!' 30 Then they will begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us'; and to the hills, 'Cover us.' 31 For if they do this when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?"

Mark 15:
22 Then they brought Jesus* to the place called Golgotha (which means the place of a skull). 23 And they offered him wine mixed with myrrh; but he did not take it. 24 And they crucified him, and divided his clothes among them, casting lots to decide what each should take.
32 …Even those who were crucified with him taunted him.

Luke 23:
[ 39 One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, "Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!" 40 But the other rebuked him, saying, "Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly; for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong." 42 And he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." 43 And he said to him, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise." ]

Mark 15:
33 And when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. 34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, "E'lo-i, E'lo-i, la'ma sabach-tha'ni?" which means, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" 35 And some of the bystanders hearing it said, "Behold, he is calling Eli'jah." 36 And one ran and, filling a sponge full of vinegar, put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink, saying, "Wait, let us see whether Eli'jah will come to take him down."

Luke 23:
[46 Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!" And having said this he breathed his last.]
Mark 15:
37 And Jesus uttered a loud cry, and breathed his last. 38 And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. 39 And when the centurion, who stood facing him, saw that he thus breathed his last, he said, "Truly this man was the Son of God!"
Luke 23:
[48 And all the multitudes who assembled to see the sight, when they saw what had taken place, returned home beating their breasts. ]

Mark 15:
40 There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Mag'dalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salo'me, 41 who, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered to him; and also many other women who came up with him to Jerusalem. 42 And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Luke 23:
50 Now there was a man named Joseph from the Jewish town of Arimathe'a. He was a member of the council, a good and righteous man, 51 who had not consented to their purpose and deed, and he was looking for the kingdom of God.
Mark 15:
47 Mary Mag'dalene and Mary the mother of Joses saw where he was laid.
Luke 23:
56 then they returned, and prepared spices and ointments. On the sabbath they rested according to the commandment.

Mark 16:
( Switching from Ur-Marcus to Twelve-Source, NJB)
Mk 16:1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary of Magdala, Mary the mother of James, and Salome
Mt 28:1 went to visit the sepulchre
Lk 24:1 with the spices they had prepared, at the first sight of dawn.
Mk 16:3 They had been saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?” 16:4 But when they looked they saw that the stone—which was very big—had already been rolled back.
Lk 24:3 But on entering they could not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
Lk 24:4 As they stood there puzzled about this
Mk 16:5 They saw a young man in a white robe seated on the right hand side and they were struck with amazement.
Mk 16:6ab But he said to them, "There is no need to be so amazed. You are looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified.
Lk 24:6 He is not here, he has risen.
Mt 28:6 Come and see the place where he lay.”
[To this point this Twelve-Source text has no conflicts with the extant texts of Matthew and Mark, but I will attempt to reconstruct the underlying Twelve-Source that explains how Luke diverged from the other two at this point. I will bracket my interpolations.]

Lk 24:7 . . . He told you . . . in Galilee that the Son of Man was destined to be handed over into the hands of sinful men and be crucified. [In Galilee he told you he will] rise again on the third day.]
[Observe! If Galilee existed a second time in the original text, a simple scribal elide from the first occurrence to the second would read:]
In Galilee he told you he will rise again on the third day.
[Then assume translation from Aramaic to Greek:]
Galilee [is where] he told you he will rise again...
[Leading right to present extant texts:]
Mt 28:7c=Mk16:7b He is going ahead of you to Galilee: that is where you will see him.
[Resuming the Twelve-Source, following Lk 24:7:]
Mk 16:8 And the women came out and ran away from the tomb because they were frightened out of their wits.

[Perhaps also the following verses:]
Mt 28:9 Suddenly, coming to meet them, was Jesus. “Greetings”, he said. And the women came up to him and, clasping his feet, they did him homage.
Lk 24:10 The women were Mary of Magdala, Joanna, and Mary the mother of James
Mt. 28:10 Then Jesus said to them. ‘Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers that they must leave for Galilee; there they will see me.’
Mt. 28:16 [Note: deleting “Galilee” from the following would allow this to have been also the basis for Luke 24:47-51. 28:10 thereby is directed to the brothers of Jesus and Galilean disciples. 28:16-20. The “disciples” of 28:16 if Galilee is omitted would then be seeing the Ascension as in Luke 24:44-47, and what the brothers were to see in Galilee is not stated, 28:10 removes them from the picture. ]

16 The...disciples set out for Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had arranged to meet them. 17 When they saw him they fell down before him, though some hesitated. 18 Jesus came up and spoke to them. He said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go, therefore, make disciples of all nations; baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teach them to observe all the commands I gave you. 20 And look, I am with you always; yes, to the end of time.
(Final selection #9 will be Lk. 24:11-47 and John 21)
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Luke 24:
11 but these words seemed to them an idle tale, and they did not believe them.
[12 * [No text] 13 That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem, 14 and talking with each other about all these things that had happened. 15 While they were talking and discussing together, Jesus himself drew near and went with them. 16 But their eyes were kept from recognizing him. 17 And he said to them, "What is this conversation which you are holding with each other as you walk?" And they stood still, looking sad. 18 Then one of them, named Cle'opas, answered him, "Are you the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?" 19 And he said to them, "What things?" And they said to him, "Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 and how our chief priests and rulers delivered him up to be condemned to death, and crucified him. 21 But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since this happened. 22 Moreover, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning 23 and did not find his body; and they came back saying that they had even seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive. 24 Some of those who were with us went to the tomb, and found it just as the women had said; but him they did not see."

25 And he said to them, "O foolish men, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?" 27 And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28 So they drew near to the village to which they were going. He appeared to be going further, 29 but they constrained him, saying, "Stay with us, for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent." So he went in to stay with them. 30 When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them. 31 And their eyes were opened and they recognized him; and he vanished out of their sight. 32 They said to each other, "Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the scriptures?"

33 And they rose that same hour and returned to Jerusalem; and they found the eleven gathered together and those who were with them, 34 who said, "The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!" 35 Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he was known to them in the breaking of the bread. 36 As they were saying this, Jesus himself stood among them. 37 But they were startled and frightened, and supposed that they saw a spirit. 38 And he said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do questionings rise in your hearts? 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have." 40 * [No text] 41 And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?" 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate before them. 44 Then he said to them, "These are my words which I spoke to you, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and the psalms must be fulfilled." 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures, 46 and said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things.]

John 21:
1 After these things Jesus showed himself again to the disciples by the Sea of Tiberias; and he showed himself in this way. 2 Gathered there together were Simon Peter, Thomas called the Twin,* Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two others of his disciples. 3 Simon Peter said to them, ‘I am going fishing.’ They said to him, ‘We will go with you.’ They went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing.

4 Just after daybreak, Jesus stood on the beach; but the disciples did not know that it was Jesus. 5 Jesus said to them, ‘Children, you have no fish, have you?’ They answered him, ‘No.’ 6 He said to them, ‘Cast the net to the right side of the boat, and you will find some.’ So they cast it, and now they were not able to haul it in because there were so many fish. 7 That disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, ‘It is the Lord!’ When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put on some clothes, for he was naked, and jumped into the lake. 8 But the other disciples came in the boat, dragging the net full of fish, for they were not far from the land, only about a hundred yards* off.
9 When they had gone ashore, they saw a charcoal fire there, with fish on it, and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, ‘Bring some of the fish that you have just caught.’ 11 So Simon Peter went aboard and hauled the net ashore, full of large fish, a hundred and fifty-three of them; and though there were so many, the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, ‘Come and have breakfast.’ Now none of the disciples dared to ask him, ‘Who are you?’ because they knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. 14 This was now the third time that Jesus appeared to the disciples after he was raised from the dead.

15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, ‘Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?’ He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Feed my lambs.’ 16 A second time he said to him, ‘Simon son of John, do you love me?’ He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Tend my sheep.’ 17 He said to him the third time, ‘Simon son of John, do you love me?’ Peter felt hurt because he said to him the third time, ‘Do you love me?’ And he said to him, ‘Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Feed my sheep.
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1. try to convert somebody: to try to convert somebody to a religious faith or political doctrine
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1. try to convert somebody: to try to convert somebody to a religious faith or political doctrine
Yes Adam is of the self opinion that his mindless Copy & Paste from his preferred Story book is somehow beneficial for his irrational ideology?

Copy & Paste as you wish Adam and simply waste the space with your Story book BS but at the end of the day BS is all you have!

Convince us that even a single word came from a literal Supernatural being & I'll start to pay more attention Adam to what is meanwhile just your empty mindless drivel & failed propaganda?

Your vindicated mentor, 50 year successful Cult busting personal successful literal Saviour, moi!

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I now realize that all of Luke 24:1-11 should be recognized as from L, the special source in this case being the eyewitness account from the Joanna
named in verse 10. Note that ellipses around part of 24:6 denote words that are omitted in the Western text. Her version in Luke replaces the earlier Aramaic version from Mary Magdalene in John 20. The text below replaces Luke 24:11 in my Post #154.


Luke 24:
[1* But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices which they had prepared. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they went in they did not find the body. * 4 While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men stood by them in dazzling apparel; 5 and as they were frightened and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, "Why do you seek the living among the dead? {He is not here, but has risen."} * 6* "Remember how he told you, while he was still in Galilee, 7 that the Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and on the third day rise." 8 And they remembered his words, 9 and returning from the tomb they told all this to the eleven and to all the rest. 10* Now it was Mary Magdalene and Jo-anna and Mary the mother of James and the other women with them who told this to the apostles; 11 but these words seemed to them an idle tale, and they did not believe them.]
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