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Old 07-17-2013, 05:48 AM   #231
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You will be astonished (not) to learn that Wordpress has decide that Neil Godfrey can post his original article without having to remove anything.

It turned out that Joel Watts hadn't lost any intellectual property after all. Only his reputation.
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:06 AM   #232
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You will be astonished (not) to learn that Wordpress has decide that Neil Godfrey can post his original article without having to remove anything.

It turned out that Joel Watts hadn't lost any intellectual property after all. Only his reputation.
JW:
In an irony that I think the author of "Mark" would really appreciate, in trying to Save his credibility, Watts' lost it.

Watts watts watts I'm Gonna Pop Some Time Tags


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Old 07-17-2013, 01:51 PM   #233
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You will be astonished (not) to learn that Wordpress has decide that Neil Godfrey can post his original article without having to remove anything.

It turned out that Joel Watts hadn't lost any intellectual property after all. Only his reputation.
Correct. Presumably, according to some observers, Wordpress diligently investigated all my points in my counter-claim, discovered that Joel Watts had indeed set his system clock back, had removed his creative commons notice, had been found to have perjured himself -- and that they had made an egregious error in removing my post, let alone blog, in the first place!

That would be the conclusions of some commentators on this fiasco if they are to be consistent.

I am being sarcastic, of course. Wordpress follows a risk averse policy when it comes to any claims of breach of IP rights as do many servers and institutions hosting websites -- that is, take no chances. Some observers choosing to interpret Wordpress's actions as determined by judicial or police-type investigations informs us of their wishful thinking and what they'd love to see happen to Vridar and me personally.
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:56 PM   #234
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Yup, Wordpress has confirmed that Joel Watts forged that screenshot.
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:29 PM   #235
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You will be astonished (not) to learn that Wordpress has decide that Neil Godfrey can post his original article without having to remove anything.

It turned out that Joel Watts hadn't lost any intellectual property after all. Only his reputation.
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What I would like to know is how an Australian can lodge a claim against someone in America who is guilty of such a misrepresentation as Joel Watts clearly is. Preferably I would like to do it without the expense of a lawyer.
You will need a US agent (lawyer) with a US address to lodge a claim. Perhaps you can find one who will work in return for traded articles, such as boomerangs or sight-seeing trips around Darwin. Alternatively you might try contacting agents associated with certain large-scale mythicist-supporting publishing organisations.


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Old 07-18-2013, 05:25 PM   #236
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If it is any consolation, consider Matthew 5:11-12

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"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
To paraphrase, blessed are the heretics.
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:06 PM   #237
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A lawyer would not be interested in this - there are no significant economic damages.

The only public interest group that might be concerned is the EFF - Electronic Frontier Foundation -

If you search their site for <DMCA takedown>, they have a file of cases where DMCA was abused. It looks like they spend their time and effort at lobbying and rulemaking, but they have brought lawsuits.

See this case involving Diebold.
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EFF represented one ISP, Online Policy Group, in a landmark case against Diebold for sending the false DMCA takedown threats and won, proving that would-be DMCA abusers should think twice before attempting to squelch free speech online.
Of course, if Joel Watts were a member of a professional organization that had standards of conduct, and enforced them, you might be able to complain to that organization. But he's a Christian - not perfect, and forgiven for his sins.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:59 PM   #238
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If I ever get my damn bar number (the character investigation is taking forever), I'd be happy to at least do some research for you. I'm not sure where Watts lives, but unless it's Arizona, I wouldn't be able to file anything though.
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Old 07-18-2013, 11:48 PM   #239
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he's a Christian - not perfect, and forgiven for his sins.
Christian forgiveness is conditional on repentance and confession, neither of which Watts has done. As far as the Biblical account of forgiveness in the story of John the Baptist is concerned, people in Watts' position remain under the curse of damnation until they are sorry. You cannot be forgiven for a sin if you don't think you have done anything wrong. Has Watts apologised to Godfrey?

Mark 1:4 "John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins."
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