Aerion

Actually, it was Queen Elizabeth I that established the Anglican church in England. The reasons were not to separate church and state but to end the bloody battle between Catholics and Protestants in England.

pz

Does anyone know if there is an xml feed for the newswire?

I've got a dozen or so news sites that I poll with NetNewsWire Lite, so it would be nice to add Infidels to the list.

Buffman

Aerion

Good for you. Thanks!

Shake

dangin sez: The newswire is the first place I go after the main page. I like to keep up on current events like that, and more so now, the activist alerts. This is why I don't have the II Discussion Forum separately bookmarked. I go to the main page, check the newswire, and then come here after reading all the items that spart my interest. Good for everyone to do!

TrueThinker

Buffman, thanks for the information you provided. I was somewhat familiar with the history behind it. But I still don't see where this judge crosses the line. I wonder if any noise would be made if someone of a different belief did something similar. I wonder...

Most of the Ten Commandments do not conflict with the law in the U.S. Wouldn't you agree?

Toto

Have you read the Ten Commandments?

As summarized <a href="http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=2" target="_blank">here</a>

Only 6, 7, and 9 are neutral laws that could be part of any legal code.

Enforcing 1 through 4 would be blatantly in violation of the First Amendment. 5, 7 and 10 are unenforcible.

Buffman

True Thinker

Most of the Ten Commandments do not conflict with the law in the U.S. Wouldn't you agree?

No! (Thank you Toto.)

Additionally, you might wish to review the OT part of the KJV Bible and decide which group of supposed commendments are the real 10 Commandments. There are three groups. Then the NT version contains Six Commandments.

<a href="http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm" target="_blank">http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm</a>

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TrueThinker

fellas, fellas......

I said "Most" not "all". Granted y'all may not like the fact that it mentions "God", but the commandments do not conflict with the law.

My question was that "do they conflict" ? Is there really anything wrong with them? I mean really, besides the fact they mention "God"?

What does that have to do with anything? Is there really a need for such a remark? We are discussing wether this judge violated the constitution by whatever he put on his monument. Can we stick to that?

Toto, you just posted the commandments, but where is the conflict, or disagreement with the law? hm? The judge just has them on a monument. Is there any proof that he wants them enforced?

Buffman, if this judge-ten commanmandments thing is a volation, what about the 25c coin and all forms of U.S. monetary exchange that say "In God we trust"? Now I know you don't trust God, but does it mean every time you use money you're being forced to believe in Him? hm? What about the courts? Why swear on the Bible and not some other book? All this stuff just confuses me. If you believe your founding fathers held your interpretation of the Constitution why do all these elements exist? I would like to know if you can show me which article of the U.S. Constitution has been violated. Maybe you can provide a similar case from around the time of your founding fathers, to show me they would definitely agreed with your viewpoint cause I'd really like to know.

Buffman

Thinker, Thinker!

I'm not sure just what game you wish to play. I haven't got the time nor the patience to teach you all about early American history. Please read the following and get back to me with your questions concerning "conflict" and how the various statements about "under God" and "In God We Trust" came to be in our Pledge to the Flag. our national motto, and on our money. (All that information is readily available on the Web...or within the Topics in this forum.)

<a href="http://members.tripod.com/~candst/toc.htm" target="_blank">http://members.tripod.com/~candst/toc.htm</a>

When it comes to the Decalogue, your statements tend to indicate that you are not well versed with it, nor is Judge Moore, or you would understand why I added the comments about it to my last post.

<a href="http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/lewis/lewten0c.htm#000" target="_blank">http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/lewis/lewten0c.htm#000</a>

When you have done your homework, I will be only too happy to discuss your questions with you. Unfortunately I have had to play far too many little word games lately with some folks asking questions very similar to yours. You have been a member of these boards just as long as I have and I feel sure you have read all this information many times before and know exactly the kind of game to which I am referring.

As I recall, you and I had a very productive discussion concerning scientific Evolution and fundamentalist Creation quite some time ago. I was able to provide you with a considerable amount of factual information then...just as I hope you will learn a great deal of historically accurate information now. However, I rather suspect that you already know a great deal of it. I do not ask you to interpret the accurate facts in the manner that I do. I only request that you learn them.

PS: If you wish to experience lots of lightning hits, move to my community. The last one blew the top off the telephone pole across the street throwing splinters all over my yard all the way up to my garage and messing up all the electrical systems in my home as the light bulbs blew-up...not just out. I think you will find that Florida gets more than its fair share of lightning strikes...and yet we can still stay up with current events...if we so desire.

dangin

TT, you're kidding right? You can't possibly be serious with these questions.